So can we nerf Kayle now since devourer has broken her

HateDaddy·Jul 20, 2015·8 votes·1,077 views

I admit, I'm bias and want my freelo Jax preserved. Gut Kayle. Thx

14 Comments

darkdillJul 20, 20153 votes

No need to nerf Kayle specifically. The better idea is to make it harder to reach Sated Devourer (i.e. requires more stacks).

Why? Because the counterplay against someone trying to stack up Devourer is to invade and counterjungle him/her. Don't give your enemy the opportunity to get stacks.

KynamiJul 20, 20152 votes

Either the item needs to be taken out back and shot (needs a large flipping rework and complete re-think) or you are going to have to spot nerf about a dozen champions that are just too good with it and will subsequently be trash without said item. Hmm.

Kayle and Aatrox are especially annoying with it. Jax is pretty nuts with it to, but not to the same degree.

Oh and counter-jungling is a no go... since most of those speed farming Sated are great duelists, and any smart team is going to collapse on you before you can do too much damage to their farm. Seriously the amount of risk to counter-jungle is out of proportion to the reward for doing so. Especially since you will only end up delaying them by a few minutes usually.

NemeBroJul 20, 20151 votes

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I admit, I'm bias and want my freelo Jax preserved. Gut Kayle. Thx

I don't really feel Jax is too OP with sated devourer (though I might be biased because I think he's fun as hell with it).

Kayle is pretty insane though, yeah. Insane damage, an ult that makes her invulnerable, ranged, a passive that increases said insane damage, the ability to proc rylai's with auto attacks (and with a Runaan's she can kite and fight an entire fucking team)... yeah, jungle Kayle is pretty stupid. I don't know what Riot was thinking when they buffed Kayle, buffed AP items, and introduced the new devourer in the same patch.

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20151 votes

If the new items didn't come out the same time she was buffed she would've been fine as she had no jungle item to get and was stuck to laning phase. She needed buffs as she was nerfed to hell and no one rarely even picked her to play. But since she was buffed and got a jg item at the same time it makes it to seem like she's stronger than she should be, but YI is more broken than she is with it. If you nerf the item she will be just fine.

NemeBroJul 20, 20151 votes

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If the new items didn't come out the same time she was buffed she would've been fine as she had no jungle item to get and was stuck to laning phase. She needed buffs as she was nerfed to hell and no one rarely even picked her to play. But since she was buffed and got a jg item at the same time it makes it to seem like she's stronger than she should be, but YI is more broken than she is with it. If you nerf the item she will be just fine.

Yi is not more broken than Kayle is with it, because Yi is melee, Yi can't slow and kite an entire team with Rylai's and Runaan's, Yi is far more susceptible to being CC'd and blown up (Kayle gets to avoid this by being ranged and able to benefit from an invincibility ult), and Kayle doesn't even really have to itemize for much magic pen because her passive already reduces enemy armour and magic resist by 15%.

Yi's win rate has barely moved with the introduction of sated devourer (probably at least partially due to his higher pick rate), and even players who have 125+ games with Yi don't have a win rate as high as Kayle's on average.

Kayle suddenly has the third highest win rate in the jungle, and a much higher pick rate than she used to have.

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20151 votes

Yea I know their play styles are different. I play Kayle mid or top lane, but not much Yi as I haven't had much success. Still, playing against a good Yi with Devourer is just about insane. He is hard to stop and now has an even more easier time penta killing. I have rarely seen Kayle jungle since her new patch, so that should say something at least. I still think if the new jungle item hadn't been put in the same patch she would be just fine with her buffs.

MatezoideJul 20, 20151 votes

Why did they even buff her to begin with?

FeathermaneJul 20, 20151 votes

Why did they buff Jax? He was better than Kayle at the time.

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20152 votes

Because she was nerfed to hell and wasn't viable in this season. She needed buffs.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 20, 20151 votes

XinZhao Trundle Kayle

^ Champions who are already strong, yet they got buffed because of "unpopularity". Btw, I mean the patch that Xin got his E buffed, not the current patch W heal nerf.

Lost In TimeJul 20, 20151 votes

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^ Champions who are already strong, yet they got buffed because of "unpopularity". Btw, I mean the patch that Xin got his E buffed, not the current patch W heal nerf.

Oh, Sated Devourer is equally as disgusting on Xin. I'd say it was another massive buff to him.

TaredomJul 20, 20151 votes

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Oh, Sated Devourer is equally as disgusting on Xin. I'd say it was another massive buff to him.

I have mixed feelings about sated on xin, he really likes to gank a lot early on and snowball everything, what i like to do is go warrior to push that even further, then go tanky and flip warrior for cinderhulk so that my team has someone late game to soak damage... lets be real, his late game is subpar at best.

With sated however you exchange some of that early game prowess to become a duelist that's relevant in the late game or a sustain tank if the enemy team can't lock you down.

SnugglePuggle94Jul 20, 20151 votes

MasterYi he's more OP and annoying than Kayle is with it.

Ser GarlandJul 20, 20151 votes

kayle's been in a rough spot since her nerfs over a year ago. If anything should be nerfed. It's that damn jungle item. Kayle should not be that good in the jungle.