I don't understand people on this board

HateDaddy··232 votes·8,017 views

Like, it's probably not exclusive to this board but simply the league population in general. At the beginning of the season, people were up in arms about lack of diversity in the jungle. I agreed at the time, the diversity of the jungle was scarce at best. It was basically Lee, Vi and whoever emerged from the ghost of nerfed past.

So what happens? Riot buffs tanks. Riot buffs items for tank junglers. It proves that these two direct buffs to tank junglers is a bit much, nerfs ensue. Fair enough, nerfs needed. Then people begin to QQ that original devourer sucks and its not worth buying or farming for being "the late game" jungle item. People want farm junglers to be good, so riot buffs the holy hell out of devourer. A few champions had an extremely abusive interaction with the item (Kayle). Riot nerfs Kayle because she was by far the dumbest with the item. Not good enough, people QQ about devourer, nerfs ensue - probably not needed but whatever. And now I'm hearing QQ about warrior enchantment sucking lol. Yeah, the item you people spent the first three months of this season bitching about and riot nerfed it by 5 AD, prompting the legendary video known as "5 AD."

Do you not see the pattern? You guys complain about everything when it's good, EVEN WHEN ITS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE GOOD. Some cases were extremely abusive, the height of the tank meta was a good example of what can go wrong when you buff the shit out of a single class and their items at the same time. Some nerfs might have been a bit much in hindsight. But then again, everything else has been nerfed around it that eventually it'll just come full circle again next season when one particular class is dominating.

Honestly, this board just needs to be removed. Half of the posts that make it to the top aren't even constructive, it's just hiveminded low elo QQ that isn't even true or correct in regards to the complaints they make. Like, a massive amount of people still think yasuos ult grants him 50% armor pen and don't realize it's bonus armor, not total. But you can't bring up facts. You cant actually be rational here and use logic because it doesn't cater to the hivemind. And what's worse is, no matter how hard you try to reason and explain your stance, Mr. bronze V 16 LP with 922 games on B5 is just going to downvote you and in combination with his other hiveminded buddies, your post never happened. There needs to be serious reform on this board because quite frankly, the feedback here sucks. It's QQ over the same 3 champions no matter what the circumstances are, even though two those targets are complete garbage - one of which got unnecessarily nerfed because people on this board are majority bronze/silver and absolutely suck at this game and will bitch about a champion instead of try to understand their own gameplay.

It's just hilarious to see all these things go full circle and it's as if people don't realize they're responsible for the mess they claim to hate in the first place. Nothing is more funny to see people wanting buffs for champions/items they wanted nerfed into the ground so hard just 6 months ago.

Riot does take feedback here seriously. For all the QQ of Zed even when he wasn't that good, he got nerfed. All the QQ about veigars rework gutting him and riot not caring? Yeah you're idiots, they kept buffing him like every other patch and guess what? He's OP as fuck at the moment. Devourer needing nerfed when it's literally not viable in competitive and gives farm junglers a late game that makes them a little stronger even though it never gave them the capacity to do something they weren't already good at. Can't wait for the thread in 6 months to be "you guys went too far with devourer nerfs" -300 upvotes.

This board just gives me aids man. I want to try to be reasonable but then Im reminded that you can't reason with unreasonable people. Riot, just nuke this place. Make it so downvotes don't ruin a thread so that hivemind can't reign supreme. Old ran just fine without a system of downvotes sending posts into the abyss, you can keep this section and do the same so we aren't reddit 2.0.

Bring on the downvotes

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Sherogarth61 votes

That how it works.

Tank meta -> assassins and adcs mains QQ, Assassin meta -> mages and adcs mains QQ, Fighter meta -> assassins, tanks and adcs mains QQ, Utility Mages meta -> fighters and adcs mains QQ and so on... :D

You cant make everyone happy... and you will never make adc mains happy xD.

Dailybreeze3 votes

Where's my ADC meta? :]

Abyssphere17 votes

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Where's my ADC meta? :]

The meta is defined by what kills ADCs best. It's difficult for ADCs to be top of that job.

A Miss Fortune10 votes

To counter ADCs.......we use ADCs!

A Superb Villain10 votes

To defeat monsters, we created monsters of our own.

DrCyanide3 votes

You know what to do - Aatrox Malphite Khazix

Jarrito2323 votes

We've been in an ADC meta for 5 seasons now. This may be the only time where an ADC isn't an essential role in a team. You can do without tanks, assassins, Ap carries, etc. but an ADC has always been an essential part of the team.

A Miss Fortune43 votes

ADC mains agree.

To be fair the role basically encourages ADCs to kind of hate everything. If you don't have perfect mechanics and don't have a great team protecting you, you'll die regardless of how well you do. Unless you're Vayne.

Only Play Darius3 votes

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ADC mains agree.

To be fair the role basically encourages ADCs to kind of hate everything. If you don't have perfect mechanics and don't have a great team protecting you, you'll die regardless of how well you do. Unless you're Vayne.

Pretty sure gosu is still winning 90% of games on his stream even when vayne is banned.

Go watch gosu's stream for ten minutes and try to tell me that ranged AD isn't broken by design.

A Miss Fortune26 votes

Probably because he's one of the best ADC mains who's been playing the game for an extremely long time and has mastered every ADC there is to this date. On top of that Gosu plays with higher elo players who understand how to protect the ADC and how to abuse the ADC's strengths. So yeah, I'd say anyone as amazing as him with a well built team would do extraordinarily well.

Only Play Darius15 votes

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Probably because he's one of the best ADC mains who's been playing the game for an extremely long time and has mastered every ADC there is to this date. On top of that Gosu plays with higher elo players who understand how to protect the ADC and how to abuse the ADC's strengths. So yeah, I'd say anyone as amazing as him with a well built team would do extraordinarily well.

Gosu doesn't play with high elo players lol he hasn't played on his main account in over a month, he only plays on it once in a while to prevent decay and even then feeds in some high elo games (4/12 vayne at lvl 17 on one of his master accounts). These days 90% of his streams are him creating his nth smurf account titled "level 9 to diamond in 24hrs" because there are 30,000 people who watch and even pay him to stomp the shit out of players 50000 MMR below him and encourage him to ruin ranked for others. These viewers are also the first to call silver players trash in twitch chat because they let a challenger smurf tristana pentakill them when she was already 12/0 before the fight, and if some gold player manages to pull off a godlike play and kill gosu 1v1 then they call him a tryhard scripter playing an OP champ etc. You don't go 30/2 in ranked up until your diamond promos because you keep getting teams that protect the ADC, you go 30W/2L because you have an unfair advantage, so don't give me the excuse that he gets teams that protect him every single game, you know it's not true.

Only ADC main I truly respect is qtpie, he actually streams on his challenger account instead of nonstop smurfing to artificially boost his ego and self-confidence. He's also genuinely funny and interacts with his viewers, meanwhile gosu accepts money yet ignores them as if they should be considered blessed that godsu himself allowed mere mortals to observe him murdering players that never stood a chance against him. Qtpie also frequently plays immobile ADC champs like Ashe/Draven (which gosu won't touch with a 9 foot stick) because he's a better ADC player overall. I admit that gosu's mechanics are phenomenal, but he never wards, frequently picks fights that even in low elo would result in instant death for him if he wasn't already fed out of his mind, and overall is just too bloodthirsty and therefore need to use dashes as a crutch because he frequently walks into 3v1/gets hit by cc/lets enemies get in melee range etc.

In the end, having all your team fight, late game, DPS, objective control, and siege loaded on a single class just isn't fun. Maybe gosu isn't playing on his real account because the current state of the ADC role is troubling since the juggernauts make life hell for ADC's not named Vayne, but frankly I'm enjoying the opportunity to carry from any lane.

Squarefighter1 votes

I used to main Kog in season 4, and I didn't hate EVERY class. Right now the only thing that I truly despise when I play ADC are bruisers that I can't meaningfully damage that then turn around and two shot me. But honestly what ADC complains about control mages? I love control mages! Having a Lulu or Oriana on the team feels like a get out of jail free card, while having one of them on the other team isn't really some horribly frustrating experience.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

How do you main Kog without hating the world.

LeeDark26 votes

I saw your problem less than two paragraphs in. "The Boards" are not some monolithic yet fickle hive mind, deciding one thing is too weak and then calling the smallest buff to that thing too strong. There are different people, and amazingly, they don't all share the same opinions. That, and when someone has a complaint, they are more likely to speak up than when they have a compliment. So all the people who want something buffed complain when it is weak. It gets buffed, those people shut up, but new people come to complain about the buff. It's a vicious cycle.

EndlessSorcerer16 votes
  1. Some people will always find something to complain about.
  2. What satisfies one group of people will likely dissatisfy another.
  3. People will always complain about whatever item, champion, or strategy caused them to lose.

Eventually, you'll just automatically filter out the useless posts without even noticing them.

Good luck.

Cinderhulk Riven14 votes

Honestly, this board just needs to be removed. Half of the posts that make it to the top aren't even constructive, it's just hiveminded low elo QQ that isn't even true or correct in regards to the complaints they make.

You are guilty of causing a not small amount of this yourself. I agree with the sentiment of the post over all though, this board is a hellhole. Upvoted. (What a shit system.)

HateDaddy6 votes

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You are guilty of causing a not small amount of this yourself. I agree with the sentiment of the post over all though, this board is a hellhole. Upvoted. (What a shit system.)

I probably am to an extent, I don't deny it entirely. But sometimes man, if you want to be heard, you gotta fight Fire wirh fire.

Ralanr5 votes

An odd concept when you think about it. Both sides will run out of things to burn eventually.

Ralanr13 votes

You must be new here, welcome to the INTERNET.

HateDaddy31 votes

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You must be new here, welcome to the INTERNET.

Except I've been on the Internet probably longer than you've been alive. Ten years ago, we didn't have some dumbass atrocious vote system to make people feel good about themselves. When we wanted to discuss things on a forum board, we actually had to read and write because unlike this generation, we had good reading comprehension and the capacity to take part in a discussion that wasnt filled with buzz words.

So anything else you wanna tell me youngster?

Ralanr9 votes

Simply put, people will always find something to complain about. The Internet (any forum, any news site) has shown this time and time again.

Is it stupid? Yes. Is it justified? No. People are rarely ever satisfied and they want it ASAP. Look at all the Mordekaiser threads. If they change Mordekaiser it will take months, and people still complain as though it can be fixed in a day.

We thrive with conflict. I agree that a lot of the mindless complaints should be cleansed (the "can't ban enough" threads in particular) but they'll be created again in all but name.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't think the people you target give a shit and they have the right to post as much as everyone else.

I respect your voice on the matter though, old timer.

HateDaddy10 votes

{quoted}

Simply put, people will always find something to complain about. The Internet (any forum, any news site) has shown this time and time again.

Is it stupid? Yes. Is it justified? No. People are rarely ever satisfied and they want it ASAP. Look at all the Mordekaiser threads. If they change Mordekaiser it will take months, and people still complain as though it can be fixed in a day.

We thrive with conflict. I agree that a lot of the mindless complaints should be cleansed (the "can't ban enough" threads in particular) but they'll be created again in all but name.

I don't disagree with you, but I don't think the people you target give a shit and they have the right to post as much as everyone else.

I respect your voice on the matter though, old timer.

Hey young man, keep up the intelligent thought pattern here (no sarcasm, you just get it). But I don't want their voices to be taken away, I want an equal playing field - remove this stupid ass vote system.

Ralanr7 votes

I do find the upvote system weird. An idea can be lost with enough down votes without knowing why.

HateDaddy9 votes

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I do find the upvote system weird. An idea can be lost with enough down votes without knowing why.

Yeah exactly

I've made several threads where I've spent considerable time on only to have it downvoted into the abyss because I said Zed was balanced.

Ralanr2 votes

Sometimes people would rather an obstacle would be weakened than rather find a way around it.

I'm not a fan of facing Zed (none of my friends are) but he's not invincible.

HateDaddy4 votes

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Sometimes people would rather an obstacle would be weakened than rather find a way around it.

I'm not a fan of facing Zed (none of my friends are) but he's not invincible.

We could probably spend a great deal of time talking about him and I might be able to open up some insight to help you with him.

Ralanr3 votes

That'd be helpful and I could pass it along to a friend who always struggles against him (he mains mid).

HateDaddy4 votes

{quoted}

That'd be helpful and I could pass it along to a friend who always struggles against him (he mains mid).

Feel free to add me then!

Ralanr3 votes

Next time I'm on I'll do just that!

Axis the Dragon12 votes

Wow, an online argument that didn't devolve into mindless squabbling, and actually ended up becoming a potential friendship. The Internet is fuckin' magical, guys. xD

Lavaniel3 votes

This is why only qq threads make it to the top. We can't address obvious issues like:

  1. scripting
  2. botting
  3. MMR and matchmaking
  4. These juggernauts
  5. FoTM patterns
  6. CertainlyT's viability as a designer and balancer

Instead, it's just... VAYNE OP QQ

Abyssphere2 votes

{quoted}

This is why only qq threads make it to the top. We can't address obvious issues like:

  1. scripting
  2. botting
  3. MMR and matchmaking
  4. These juggernauts
  5. FoTM patterns
  6. CertainlyT's viability as a designer and balancer

Instead, it's just... VAYNE OP QQ

There's barely anything to be said about 1-3 and 5-6, discussing 4 versus discussing Vayne is a matter of what you think the biggest balancing issue is at the present time.

luckmallory13 votes

This is one of those posts i cannot upvote enough

Silents4294 votes

Like, it's probably not exclusive to this board but simply the league population in general.

Alright combine the population of this forum with Reddits, and you don't even make up 3% of the playerbase for League of Legends, can we stop with this mentality that if a 200+ voted thread means "everyone" when it just means this forum is circling around more hatred as per usual.

Yasuo hasn't been getting any changes at all and just like clockwork he gets bitched about yet again. Can't wait until Zed comes back around too

Worgenflorgen4 votes

Be reasonable, Hate Daddy.

Everyone cries here, rank doesn't matter at all in the big circlejerk of "I don't like this, I don't want to adapt my playstyle against this, therefore it must be gutted regardless of external factors making this a pick!" I'm honestly fine with the constant cycle of changes, nerfs and buffs, but man the crying is annoying. This game will never be perfectly balanced, some things will always be stronger than others, and all we can do is learn to change and adapt.

(So yeah, take an upvote.)

WarlockLaw4 votes

When they first introduced cinderhulk there were only tank junglers, no diversity. Then they brought it into line and we had tank junglers, warrior junglers and fiddlesticks.

Then they added sated and runeglaive. Competitive was dominated by runeglaive soloq by ww, yi, kayle and shyv on sated. They nerfed runeglaive so it wouldn't dominate mid lane or jg and they nerfed kayle. Sated devour still warps soloq. They remove 10 damage nothing is accomplished.

They introduce fiora and juggernauts, they still have above 60% ban rate even after the nerfs thus far.

Each of these changes initially ruined diversity despite being made for such a reason. Sure there are different champs viable now than last season but it doesn't mean we are more diverse. Hell disabling devour because of that bug has done more for diversity than any of these changes did initially

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Magearna2 votes

Exactly. I almost exclusively mained Sejuani when she was released because she was the first champion that was released when I started playing end of S2/beginning of S3. But people thought I had no idea what I was doing. Same with S4 except I added Skarner to the mix with the same reactions. Now all of a sudden in S5, since the pros are doing it, it's the "smart thing to do." But as soon as Sejuani fell out of favor and I kept playing her, I got "HAHA noob, no one plays her anymore." Like, really?

GuiltyGecko3 votes

Different groups of players complain at different times. When Zed is strong, my ADC roommate complains because if I'm not around then it's hard to deal with a meta Zed. I on the other hand, have never really complained about Zed as my role counters him (support). I have complained about annoying supports and certain junglers (ones that get around ward paths....) but that's because they directly affect my role.

There is a grain of truth to the hive-mind, but it's not of the community as a whole. It's different minorities speaking up at different times depending on what's relevant in the meta.

Reformed Dunni2 votes

Oh these boards make me sick too, and I'm glad for the juggernauts because now people are qq'ing about getting rekt by Riven

Adrian Umbra2 votes

I agree with the sentiment here, people in general are whiney and complain about the thing that's currently seen as strong, regardless of its actual strength or whether it's healthy for the game. Devourer in particular is amusing because of how requested the change was and how much the community 180'd, though to be fair with the item, "balanced among the pros" and "balanced in solo queue are always going to be two very different metrics. Similar deal with Warrior. Veigar I think is actually a hilarious overreaction, as he's either sleeper OP right now or back up with his fellow high-winrate low-playrate mages such as Heimerdinger. Given the amount of QQ and the fact that his play rate remains low, I'm inclined to believe the latter.

However, then it felt like you put on your tin foil hat, got up on your cardboard box podium, and started preaching. These boards may not be the best, but were you ever a part of the old Champion Feedback forums? They weren't a whole lot better than this. Upvotes and downvotes still mattered, with enough downvotes locking a thread completely, then sending it down into the abyss. Mods didn't exist there, meaning the community had to police its own, with mixed results. Reds NEVER visited, meaning EVERY idea that came to those forums that didn't immediately attempt to leap over to GD was doomed to a slow death by suffocation. The new boards have their problems, but so did the old ones.

Jasiwel2 votes

Your post is too general and acts like The Boards is synonymous with the old GD. No. The Boards in itself has a lot more people on it than GD did and as many others have pointed, the people who complain are not the same individuals every time. The only people I see that are repeat complainers are the few Morde mains creating super threads (respectively) and Falcon (but it's always easy to understand why Falcon does what he does) - and that's only lately.

You need to understand that not everyone will be happy with the game because of how diverse the game is and how catering to everyone is probably the most difficult problem in commercial history. There is always someone who will find fault with one's content, with one's presentation and with one's methods of creation. Given more than 1,000,000 players are on League daily, that should give you some scope as to how many are on the Boards at any given time.

Riot has done a good job. Yes, they are not perfect. Yes, they recognize this fact. Is our community atrocious? Many times daily, yes, but that's also because we're more likely to share bad experiences than good ones given it is cathartic to know others feel the same. Does our community need to improve? Yes, a lot, but to say the entire community and entire boards is garbage is like saying humanity as a whole is garbage with no exceptions. Many people aren't vocal because they're content. Many people are vocal because they are discontent. But to state that the Boards or /r/leagueoflegends need to be removed is exceptionally ignorant.

BRBGTGBOWFLEX1 votes

Our issue is that their goal is strategic diversity but they never seem to really accomplish it.

Every season since leagues begun, we've seen basically seen only 10-20 champions at worlds played consistently, each year.

There's no such thing as a poke comp or an engage comp or any kind of real comp-- it's just picking the same 10-20 champions over and over again because they are better than the other options by so much.

That's the issue. You like completely miss the point. The issue is that things always seem to be "too good" and that there is no real variety in strategies. You just get the most overpowered champions for a role and go with them, because comps aren't important enough. We are complaining because they are missing the mark.

To be fair, balancing is the act of constantly missing the mark. However, the way they miss it never seems to promote that elusive goal of diversity. I think they have gotten a bit closer, but it still seems like if champion x is available, you pick them no matter what.

BluePolarizer3 votes

there used to be a poke comp back in late S4/early S5 like Morgana Nidalee Ahri Kalista Thresh. This was solved by gutting Nidalee's ranged damage and forcing her to melee with Runeglaive.

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