https://youtu.be/ILWJsFBHDQQ?t=102
They don't have to farm that much anymore They gank non stop They don't have any levels behind, can 1v1 a toplaner or a midlaner. Resulting in their role being extremely safe without any risks at ganking and shitting on Toplaners preventing a skilled 1v1
It's been 2 years since Fearless's jungle rework that ruined our experience, and I'm surprised it still didn't get changed
Rexxiee16 votesI dont know about you, but i think junglers being able to get lvl 3 at full health with double buffs while solo laners are still lvl 2 should just not be a thing, like wtf can a top laner do about a lee being on his lane at 2:30?
Like it doesnt even take skill to get a gank off anymore, and even if you fail you can just spam ganks and never fall behind, its stupid, they need to be massively slow down the early game of junglers.
Hügö6 votesI think it's not that bad that they are level 3 before the laner since it's the only time they are ahead in levels when not absurdly fed. What is more of a problem is the long respawn timers on camps which give alot of free time to gank.
Ahristocats3 votes^
very wised my dude
Zero Skill Tank1 votesThe problem is that they don't even need to clear most of their jungle to keep equal level due do insane catch-up exp on jungle camps, and that the laners can't punish them by stealing camps (because stealing camps is just not worth without jungle item), not the respawn times.
Hügö1 votesThats an reayly biased and wron opinion. When you let your camps up for to long you you fall below in level and catch up exp will you only bring back when you put more time into farming then ganking, which then gives the laners free time. Then there is again this respawn timer which gives you time to gank while you take the camps to catch up.
Teridax681 votesI agree that junglers should absolutely not be able to get clears that are healthy and put them on an early level lead at the same time. What made the new jungle work originally is that monsters were much more significant threats, and thereby forced most junglers to lose a lot of health during their clears, while often clearing slower too. Ganking was therefore a much riskier endeavor, and ganking from full health required the jungler to head back and then head straight to lane, falling behind on experience in the process. In the current state of affairs, junglers can afford to gank practically non-stop, because when they do eventually fall behind from lack of farm, they can abuse catch-up experience to negate a significant part of that tradeoff.
Personally, what I think would help would be to turn off catch-up XP until after the laning phase, in addition to making earlier clears harsher. Fighting 2v1 all of a sudden, or even 3v2, presents a huge disadvantage at the earliest stages of the game, and that is a point where jungler needs to be the most counterable if they are to not feel oppressive. If they ganked with a stark deficit in either health or levels, that would at least give the illusion of agency to the ganked player, because they'd feel like they'd have a shot at going for an aggressive play, or turning around while retreating in an attempt to punish the jungler for going too far in. By contrast, when a jungler is the same level as you and at close to full health, there's no reason to do anything but run in most situations, and jungling as a result becomes much less engaging for everyone involved.
SpecterVonBaren3 votesI remember when it was a unique champ trait for Shaco to be able to gank super early...
Salson6 votesWonder if that will ever change with the current balance team. They seem to think the current situation is ok.
Hell PTA is actually better on Junglers than Fervor was, and Toplaners can go die in a ditch apparently.
Abibyama6 votesWhat are you talking about? It’s obviously Ghostcrawler’s fault and no one else
/s
bywords706 votesjungle takes all the skill out of the game, literally every high elo player has been saying this for the past few years already
General Esdeath 1 votesWhat would they know? They're not our hip DIAMOND balance team hehe xd
Diamond2Kappa3 votesshitting on Toplaners **and mid laners **preventing a skilled 1v1
ftfy heh
but why is he saying mid lane is in a good spot when all the role does is spam wave clear and assassins havent been relevant for years except Kassadin and maybe Kat in soloq right now feelsbadman
Ahristocats2 votesTalon is getting buffed so...
Diamond2Kappa4 votesstill probably gonna be weak mid tho. but people only complain about top lane send help [cass-cry]
Divewing4 votesWho's downvoting this?
He's completely right, mid lane is pretty much "clear waves so we can siege".
What is a 1v1? You mean that thing I try then get slaughtered because the jungler is always there?
Sire Hippington3 votesThey gank non stop They don't have any levels behind, can 1v1 a toplaner or a midlaner. Resulting in their role being extremely safe without any risks at ganking and shitting on Toplaners preventing a skilled 1v1
As a toplaner, this here REALLY pisses me off the most.
It's been 2 years since Fearless's jungle rework that ruined our experience, and I'm surprised it still didn't get changed
Well, people said they were sick of riot changeing the jungle every single preseason, and now riot actually did listen to the community. I certainly would prefer them getting the jungle into a fine and atleast somewhat healthy spot befor slowing down on the jungle changes though. Getting it into a shitty spot and then leaving it there us not good...
BestPudgeNA2 votesNot even a min into the video he has Bot+Support should be as strong combined as top and that a top lane should be able to 2 v 1 opposing top+jungler if he is slightly ahead.
Top laner's are so full of themselves it's not even funny.
y0r1ck1 votesChamps like Riven, renekton, jax, darius, yorick, etc. SHOULD be able to 1v2 if they're slightly ahead. Ever since season 3 to season 5 when i stopped playing top renekton was able to 1v2 most matchups with a slight lead.
Also ever since season 3 to about the time riot updated items for the roles, adc and support were practically half of a champ. They weren't strong without the other. I think that's healthier than having either role be self sufficient. Not to mention that top lane used to have as much gold and more xp than bot laners, they WERE equal to adc+supp.
woodvsmurph1 votesYes, their higher levels compared to before and the extra burst damage due to runes and higher level make it much harder to find any success when a jungler decides toplane is going to be a 2v1 all of laning phase. So when you are getting 2v1'd most games, your jungler is inept (can't gank an overextended flashless toplaner that would die from aa+q), and at LEAST one of your other lanes is feeding their asses off despite being ganked once in 15 min, you tend to have a shitty game. You never GET to play league of legends that whole game.
Bonus points for all the times your team flames you during those games because you are "feeding" (even though you have 2x the kda of them and have been 1v2 non-stop for the first 15 min of game) and put the entire blame on you for your team losing. Damn you building any damage items besides cleaver on a bruiser; you need to go full tank after cleaver or you're 4 man reported lol. And don't you dare tell an inting teammate to "play safe" or "hug tower and just waveclear" or "ward jg pls" - that's toxic speech there. Yes, toplaners are toxic wretches - expecting jg to give ONE gank when they're being camped for the first 15 min of the game and flash-ganked on cd. Or for expecting their bot and mid to at least go close to even when they are ganked 1x in 15 min while top has managed to go 1/3/0 after being ganked 8x (twice with flash) by jg and 2x by a fed enemy mid with no mia, and once by the 3/1/10 enemy blitz support through lane. Or building two damage items (both of which add to their durability too btw) so they can 1v1 their lane opponent despite having been screwed over by everyone else (on both teams) for the first 15+ min of the game because THEY are BETTER than their lane opponent. Or for explaining why someone else's thinking/shotcalling is WRONG when they do the same thing for the 5th time... to die for the 5th time... without getting any kills or objectives for it... just feed. Obviously they're all boosted, selfish, noob, flaming donkeys lol.