Why Katarina has low CDs and full resets on assists but Yi got insane long CDs and reset only 70%?

PiVoRx·Dec 14, 2016·5 votes·1,028 views

(currently god tier with 20.83%) short CDs on everything that is also AOE and scale very good and passive provoides full resets on abilities

(trash tier that nobody cares about with whole 1% ban rate) insane long CDs on everything (35 flat W), very bad scalings, passive only resets basic abilities by 70%

Yi got nerfed to oblivion on begining of seasson 6 even tho nobody gave a fuck about him outside of gold elo and now he sits dumpstered with 0 attention, like wtf? Can we at least revert his nerfs?

19 Comments

GuesstheName132Dec 14, 20165 votes

Simply put: stationary and no sustain vs mobile and sustain. Katarina jumps into the fray of battle and needs to ult to do complete full damage. She has no good escape if she gets any sort of CCed, and doesn't heal if she does get away. Yi on the other hand, has a speed boost, slow immune, and can heal a percentage of his health (while taking next to no damage sometimes). So if you look at the risk vs rewards between the two, Katarina has more rewards for the risk she takes than Yi.

PiVoRxDec 14, 20161 votes

Katarina jumps into the fray of battle and needs to ult to do complete full damage.

Master Yi without ult cant do anything

She has no good escape if she gets any sort of CCed, and doesn't heal if she does get away.

She can shumpo out of the combat and still has item 3157

Yi on the other hand, has a speed boost, slow immune, and can heal a percentage of his health (while taking next to no damage sometimes).

Speed boost is worst kind of mobility compared to blinks and Meditate inside of battle is useless and mostly used as aa reset.

So if you look at the risk vs rewards between the two, Katarina has more rewards for the risk she takes than Yi.

Katarina takes less risk since she does more damage and can blink out after kill/assist.

Ferus and FerrumDec 14, 20163 votes

Because Yi runs at you unkiteable, immune to both movespeed and attackspeed slows. He drops aggro and pops projectiles and targeted abilities with alpha, can halve incoming damage and heal, and gets a true damage on-hit and an AD steroid when the ability is off cooldown. His Q also has the cooldown reduced by autoattacks and can critically strike.

If Yi got full resets his alpha strike would be up again as soon as his other was done.

PiVoRxDec 14, 20161 votes

Because Yi runs at you unkiteable

stuns, roots? ammount of cc in this game makes this statment invalid

drops aggro and pops projectiles and targeted abilities with alpha

no he dont, im still dying and gets cced while in alpha

can halve incoming damage and heal

while being unable to attack back and is vulnerable to everything

and gets a true damage on-hit and an AD steroid when the ability is off cooldown

so when hes not hitting during E he does nothing? and what does it mean AD steroid when ability is off cd? He loses 10% damage if you dont know

His Q also has the cooldown reduced by autoattacks and can critically strike.

again, when hes not attacking and being kited hes stuck with 18-14 sec cd ability that hes fully dependand on, even tho when hes autoattacking, alpha CD is not even close to Khazix Q with 3 sec cd.

Ferus and FerrumDec 14, 20161 votes

Let's count 'em down

stuns, roots? ammount of cc in this game makes this statment invalid

While it's true that there is a large amount of cc in the game, the most prevalent cc is the almighty slow. Basically saying a champ can ignore the better half of cc available in the game is pretty good

no he dont, im still dying and gets cced while in alpha

Bug. Not the way his kit was intended to work.

while being unable to attack back and is vulnerable to everything

Still a massive defensive steroid, even reduces damage from towershots and heals a percentage based on how low his hp is, also resets hit auto-attack in the event he doesn't need the heal.

so when hes not hitting during E he does nothing? and what does it mean AD steroid when ability is off cd? He loses 10% damage if you dont know

If he's wasting the ability by mistiming the active it's on him. But the down-time on the ability, where he loses AD is mitigated by the fact that he gets 70% reset on kills and assists.

again, when hes not attacking and being kited hes stuck with 18-14 sec cd ability that hes fully dependent on, even tho when hes autoattacking, alpha CD is not even close to Khazix Q with 3 sec cd.

Why are we comparing his alpha strike to Khazix Q. Champs' playstyles are completely different from an in and out opportunist to a sustained damage dealer who wants to constantly go all in to get resets. Moreover Khazix Q doesnt do all that Alpha does, where are Kha's invuln frames, where's the q crit, where's the multi target damage? I don't see Khazix splitting top and melting our tower's with his massive attackspeed steroid on ulti, or soloing baron.

Moreover every champ gets kited when their primary damage spells or gapclosers are down (outside of the disgusting ADC master-race that right clicks their way to challenjour)

ScissorsNstuffDec 14, 20161 votes

Hayaishi2Dec 14, 20161 votes

Because Yi's kit is like 90% steroids.

Big LincolnDec 14, 20161 votes

then why doesn't he look like this ?

http://orig00.deviantart.net/0c7b/f/2012/141/1/a/huge_muscle_guy_by_unitedbigmuscle-d50kf3h.png

RequiemsfireDec 14, 20161 votes

Master Yi used to have resets, they were quickly removed when people realized how strong they were on him due to his untargettable frames, with damage reduction healing and a speed boost that could not be kited.

The DeckownerDec 14, 20161 votes

Because Rito's balance philosophy:

FlashyBigPlay=Buff to OP Easy Champion=Nerf til trash

zaire90Dec 14, 20161 votes

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Because Rito's balance philosophy:

FlashyBigPlay=Buff to OP Easy Champion=Nerf til trash

annie?

The DeckownerDec 14, 20161 votes

Annie is actually very hard to play against anyone who out range you(basically every ranged mid laner) if you are not low elo.

zaire90Dec 14, 20161 votes

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Annie is actually very hard to play against anyone who out range you(basically every ranged mid laner) if you are not low elo.

guess it makes since why i only did good against her with syndra since i mainly played assassins before the rework

Dominick DestineDec 14, 20161 votes

Because Yi has a different passive...

Mystery solved.

StrawberrycocoaDec 14, 20161 votes

Katarina is ability based and needs to spam QWERs. Yi is auto-attack based, all he needs is to get close enough to swing at you and right-clicking does the rest.

PiVoRxDec 14, 20161 votes

And if hes kited and cant aa he does nothing while Katarina unleashes burst that only tanks can survive.

DunkinNoobsDec 14, 20161 votes

Yi has alpha strike.

Katarina does not have alpha strike.

Akali is SO HOTDec 14, 20161 votes

Probably because they are completely different champions. That's like complaining that Master Yi gets immunity to slows during his ult, but Akali doesn't after she ults.