If Pyke can be support, why this champions can't ?

ValiantKiller··1 votes·1,922 views

Like aside from this ult that share gold on the kill, Darius Urgot Can be frontline killer tanky for their adc while Pantheon MonkeyKing can provide the damage with cc. The only difference is the share gold from his ult otherwise he just ad assassin, honestly.

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RookPusher4 votes

Panth does support

Míellá3 votes

Riot doesn't say that they cannot be. Infact they have nothing against playing them as supp. Its the meta players that don't want them, even if it works.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Riot doesn't say that they cannot be. Infact they have nothing against playing them as supp. Its the meta players that don't want them, even if it works.

That is my point, if people going to be okey with pyke i going to play urgot and wukong support if i got autofilled.

KlydeFrog2 votes

People do do this. Not sure what you mean. Leo or taric would work better

ValiantKiller1 votes

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People do do this. Not sure what you mean. Leo or taric would work better

People do that but then people report them for taking that choice as support, so.

Revali3 votes

If it's how you enjoy playing the role, they have no reason to complain. and there is a difference between off meta and blatantly trollin.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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If it's how you enjoy playing the role, they have no reason to complain. and there is a difference between off meta and blatantly trollin.

There no trolling if you pick that 4 champions cause every one of them do the same as pyke , Daruis and urgot can finish people below % hp while panth and wukong can make best engage. Infact i got autofilled in support role in ranked game and i was titled to play any kind of support i took wukong and carried the whole team i made their bot lane goes 0-10 by the end of match while my adc had few kills and was alive.

KlydeFrog1 votes

So if your urgot and i chose leo or taric as supp why would i get reported. Panth would be okay because of burst but okay

ValiantKiller1 votes

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So if your urgot and i chose leo or taric as supp why would i get reported. Panth would be okay because of burst but okay

I talking when people pick urgot or daruis or wukong or etc, people treat them like they troll and they should be reported.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Because all of those have fairly shitty engage. Pyke can move quickly, and has two abilities with hard CC.

SangreDeNoche1 votes

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Because all of those have fairly shitty engage. Pyke can move quickly, and has two abilities with hard CC.

Yeah the feeling I got watching his kit review was "shen but more focus on damage"

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Because all of those have fairly shitty engage. Pyke can move quickly, and has two abilities with hard CC.

Wukong doesn't have shitty engage special after 6 neither is panth.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Okay. And up until then, their engage is shit. Plus he's still got only one form of CC.

Also Pantheon's ult takes 3 fucking years of channeling. "Engage" is usually something able to be carried out in a couple seconds at most, not long enough for me to walk from end to end of the map as Mordekaiser while I have a Morgana in URF chasing me before he jumps.

Done251 votes

When Pike ults, his ADC gets the gold. When Darius/Urgot ult, they get the gold. That's why Pyke can work in a 2v2 lane, and they can't.

Other than that he's basically the Blitzcrank of "supports".

ValiantKiller1 votes

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When Pike ults, his ADC gets the gold. When Darius/Urgot ult, they get the gold. That's why Pyke can work in a 2v2 lane, and they can't.

Other than that he's basically the Blitzcrank of "supports".

That why at the start i said "Aside from sharing gold on his ult"

Done251 votes

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That why at the start i said "Aside from sharing gold on his ult"

That's kind of like saying "What can Soraka do aside from healing?".

Not to say I don't agree. Pyke could VERY easily have been made into a jungler instead and fit there perfect. In fact, that's what people did to him on the PBE and Riot had to nerf it.

NahDogSolRahn1 votes

Considering the ability to build out of type, play how you want to, and game knowledge; a damn good chunk, but Pyke can do it better. Its probably easier to build and play Pyke as an assassin in any lane then the memed crit-banana. op isn't just bringing up the similarities in the kits, but also in power.

Cocho1 votes

some guy used to play panth support in high elo. I forgot his name but i remember seeing it on QT's stream. Cant remember if it was season 7 or 6.

Other than that, these guys suck as supports for one reason or another. Bad poke/CC, weak lane or roaming, and bad scaling with low gold.

Baron Barian1 votes

Darius and Urgot's ONLY CC is too short ranged to the point that they can't even attempt it without getting poked out or dying. They also do quite a bit of area damage which could accidently steal cs.

Wukong really has nothing. No sustain, no utility, no CC until lvl 6. Worthless as a support.

Pantheon is the only one that might work, even Keegun tried it once recently. But it still is just not a good idea. He's only good at killing, so building support items will mean he's only valued at all for those items, yet building full damage will mean you are supportless. In lane, he has only an AA block for defense, and with no sustain at all, he can and will be outpoked by the enemy ADC and even the support. That engage of his is also incredibly risky, simply because he's a glass cannon and con potentially die faster then the guy he stuns. It could work in some match-ups, but you shouldn't start maining Panth support.

Pyke has everything these guys don't have. Sustain, CC, roaming potential, and a reliable engage so that he can get plays started. He was designed to have everything that a support is suppose to have.

Evilism1 votes

ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS...BOOHOO.;)

DW Diana1 votes

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Like aside from this ult that share gold on the kill, Darius Urgot Can be frontline killer tanky for their adc while Pantheon MonkeyKing can provide the damage with cc. The only difference is the share gold from his ult otherwise he just ad assassin, honestly.

Pykes passive allows him to sustain much more poke then any of those. His q e combo allows him to close the gap and hard cc. And yes his ult means that taking the kill is a good thing. But mainly it's the rest of his kit that makes him a viable support.

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