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@Riot, You know which assassin you compltetly ignored?

SwiftKitten88··1 votes·558 views

Nidalee and before you people try to spout out nonsense like "nidalee isn't an assasin"

BRAND NEW FREAKING PAGE ON RIOTS WEBSITE http://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/champion/nidalee

ROLE: ASSASSIN

so i have made a bunch of threads on this.. before it happened saying it was likely going to happen.. people ignored it. i said when it patch 6.22 went live and i tested it myself and the first data coming in showing exactly this happening

and now we have even more sites PROVING exactly what i said was going to happen.. https://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee/Jungle

if you are too lazy to click on the link ill sum it up for you and ALL of this data is for platinum + so even you people who DON'T think the other 92% of us don't matter. and like to live in your high elo "I'm better than everyone else so their elo doesn't matter" bubble. THIS IS THE HIGHEST ELO!!!

nidalee: PLAT + AVERAGE WINRATE: 42.49% nidalee winrate based on games played: 125+ does not reach 48% winrate

nidalee winrate over game length does not reach 45% at ANY point in the game third lower win rate of any jungler in the game. only higher thanTalon jungle.. (who isn't even a jungler) and Aatrox ... who well.. is aatrox.. and everyone knows his issues...

so yeah.. effectively the worst jungler in the game as of 6.22.

now i could tell riot how to fix this... how to give her a 50% flat winrate in FOUR roles.. but since they never listen to me, and no one here listen to me either. i am not going to spend the time writing it again...

needless to say..

@Riot, i expect you to get your act together.. i TOLD you this would happen,you have had over a month of warning to prepare for it.. so i EXPECT to see some nidalee buffs on PBE at 6.23 at the VERY least. and as always.. if you want to know how to do it PROPERLY without screwing up her winrate in higher elos and making her broken with a 9% winrate differential between unranked and challenger, i am here to help, all you need to do is ask.. i have had two years to come up with this solution... and truthfully.. it only took me about 5 min...

i don't know how your balance or testing process works.. but my god PLEASE consort at least ONE main of the champ you change before you throw out a random change. as a nidalee main i can look at about 95% of the changes you put down and tell you EXACTLY how it will affect her. in fact i can only remeber being in wrong my prediction as to what would happen after a change TWICE. and to this day i have NEVER had access to pbe

(and if you curious as to what 2 changes i was wrong about they were, 4.17 not needing the attack damage nerf (i was wrong she did when she was a top laner, but now that she doesn't lane it should have been reverted long ago) and that 5.2 the adding of traps procing on jungle mobs with ZERO other changes to her in any way.. would make her an issue. (and that is about the most wrong a person could ever be, but i honestly thought the same thing riot did and pretty much every person i have ever talked to, so i don't think ANYONE could have predicted that..)

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

and they missed alot of "juggernauts" too

alot of adcs

mages

and so on

Marshbouy1 votes

https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but the OP slowcat lol jk swiftkitten is a nid "main" it his/her * i dont know * favorite champ and makes alot of post about NID just like my buddy MIRA and shyvana

SwiftKitten881 votes

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but the OP slowcat lol jk swiftkitten is a nid "main" it his/her * i dont know * favorite champ and makes alot of post about NID just like my buddy MIRA and shyvana

yeah, well i can pretty much guarantee you.. if they had had a nidalee main on the balance team.. she would never a have reached 54% winrate and had 9% winrate difference between unranked at challenger.

like i said. as a nid main i have been able to predict how every pbe change would change her with about 95% accuracy, without testing it. i dont know how many people work at riot, and i having a person on tha balance team who main each of the champs would be, not economical...

but they should at least KNOW people who main the champs and TALK to them.

if you want to know how to counter a specific champ, what thier wekness are and exactly how far thier strengths will take you... (excluding stuff that only the pros can actually pull off).. just play the champ.

even ONE game in BOTS, will teach you a LOT about the champ.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its ok im being lit up with down votes about the singed support guy

Marshbouy2 votes

A lot of her issues have to do with the removal of SOTA and changes to the jungle.

She probably needs a large rework that makes her less oppressive in the jungle when she is strong. Reworking her during the assassin update wouldn't have worked all that well, her burst is telegraphed and if you get killed by a nidalee you deserved to get killed by a nidalee.

Her real issues are with jungle sustain and clearing, not burst people from stealth.

SwiftKitten881 votes

{quoted}

A lot of her issues have to do with the removal of SOTA and changes to the jungle.

She probably needs a large rework that makes her less oppressive in the jungle when she is strong. Reworking her during the assassin update wouldn't have worked all that well, her burst is telegraphed and if you get killed by a nidalee you deserved to get killed by a nidalee.

Her real issues are with jungle sustain and clearing, not burst people from stealth.

well i wasn't going to go into how to fix her.. but there are a couple ways

by far the easiest and BEST way to do it would be a flat 4.17 revert, then any slight adjustment from there needed based on other changes such as new items, minion hp difference, tower damage, jungle changes etc..

if they didn't want to do a full revert to her balanced state and fix from there.

you could also start by reverting the stupid pointless 6.21 changes... riot knew (or SHOULD have known) the strength of ages changes would be killer to her. adding those 6.21 changes for one patch when a HUGE nerf was going hit her in 6.22. really makes me wonder riot...

after that is done they can continue by increasing her hp growth so it would be slightly less than the 300 she lost (after all she did get to pick up thunderlords, even if that isn't great on her, you cant give her that and keep the free 300 hp from strength of the ages)

also keep in mind that nidalee completes strength of the ages stacks fairly early in the game, so plan hp per lvl and base HP changes accordingly.

those would bring her to an "semi-balanced" or "acceptable" winrate of bettween 46 and 51%.

again it isnt going to fix her like the 4.17 revert would.. but it would make her at least viable until riot finally accepts the need for the revert.

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