Idea: jungle monsters give 0 exp to non machete holders until 20 minutes

Kingsgrave·Dec 17, 2014·25 votes·1,608 views

Heavy handed change to make it so Laners stop poaching jungle monsters

28 Comments

ValyrianBladeDec 17, 20144 votes

Even 5 minutes would solve the issue to be honest.

I made a similar thread this morning asking for it to be at levels 1 and possibly 2 rather than based on game time though.

chumblerDec 17, 20143 votes

That's such a bug fix-y, terrible band-aid fix that I think you're qualified to work at Riot. They hired someone as stupid as stashu, so you're a shoe-in.

KingsgraveDec 17, 20142 votes

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That's such a bug fix-y, terrible band-aid fix that I think you're qualified to work at Riot. They hired someone as stupid as stashu, so you're a shoe-in.

Your attitude is horrendous and you shun things immediately. You should go work at EA or Activision.

Penguin EclipseDec 17, 20141 votes

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Your attitude is horrendous and you shun things immediately. You should go work at EA or Activision.

Says the one who downvotes everyone who disagrees with him.

KingsgraveDec 17, 20141 votes

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Says the one who downvotes everyone who disagrees with him.

Isnt that what this pitiful downvote/upvote system is designed for?

JevelFaithfulDec 17, 20142 votes

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Isnt that what this pitiful downvote/upvote system is designed for?

Actually it's not, it's made to signal bad comments (either because they're false, or offensive or wtv). If you want to disagree, you can say it and we'll remember it.

chumblerDec 18, 20141 votes

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Your attitude is horrendous and you shun things immediately. You should go work at EA or Activision.

I shun stupid ideas immediately, as well they should be shunned.

LlaniteDec 17, 20143 votes

If someone takes it, use the lens like you did pre-patch.

Stop treating jungle monsters as your stuff, it is team property. I'd laugh at your butt when they counter jungle and no one comes to help.

meadowDec 17, 20142 votes

This would be an interesting idea to enforce laners not to take the jungle monsters early on. It's a common tactic now at higher play especially Pro scenes where bot starts Golems and that they have 'two' junglers.

Whereas the 'main' jungler has machette and the side jungler helps with damage and clearing speed but takes the small ones instead. The question is then if it would be a great idea to invalidate a complete pro tactic and enforce the current meta of 1/1/2 and jungle or if it should remain like this to encourage 2/1/0 and 2 junglers for the Pro scene and those who dare to imitate them.

KingsgraveDec 17, 20143 votes

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This would be an interesting idea to enforce laners not to take the jungle monsters early on. It's a common tactic now at higher play especially Pro scenes where bot starts Golems and that they have 'two' junglers.

Whereas the 'main' jungler has machette and the side jungler helps with damage and clearing speed but takes the small ones instead. The question is then if it would be a great idea to invalidate a complete pro tactic and enforce the current meta of 1/1/2 and jungle or if it should remain like this to encourage 2/1/0 and 2 junglers for the Pro scene and those who dare to imitate them.

The pro scene only ever invents things to abuse the game.

majulitoDec 17, 20141 votes

You mean Korea. All the other regions don't really do anything new which is why they look so outclassed.

But on topic I think until 4 or 5 min is fine since they will probably be rushing to lane for cs instead of taking jungle at that time.

JevelFaithfulDec 17, 20141 votes

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The pro scene only ever invents things to abuse the game.

Yet that's those abuses that make the game advance.

Since it's been ages since I actually played, I'll talk from aesthetics of play instead of balance. I relaly like the idea of a 2-1-0 honnestly. If it makes the interaction with the jungle more interesting (be in lane vs skirt the jungle to grab a few monsters because you're weak), and adds more people roaming, and adds more team interactions. I'm all for it!

Maybe it's too much if it becomes the strictly better solution for the loosing team. Aka if you have to take a champion who can either win lane (100%) or grab one who can off-jungle, now there might be a little problem. Other wise I like it.

FluppetsDec 17, 20142 votes

That will solve nothing but for diamond+ games. In all other brackets people will still poach jungle.

I explain to them, killing chickens costs us an oracles, 20 gold and a devourer stack, they still do it. People are stupid. They will steal my jungle and blame me when they lose their lanes. Thats how it goes.

Btw in the PBE they're changing spawn times to 2:00, I think this would fix the lvl 1 poaching.

I Summons IDec 17, 20146 votes

2 minute spawn times = no leash gg

FluppetsDec 17, 20141 votes

hm yeah, also its harde to tell where a junglers starts, that can be either good or bad.

DatPikachuThoDec 17, 20141 votes

They just reverted all those changes on PBE, so timers are still at 1:55, as well as several Machete changes and camp changes are back to what they are on live.

Drunk RummateDec 17, 20142 votes

but i like to farm raptors and wolves when i mid sometimes ! :[

KingsgraveDec 17, 20141 votes

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but i like to farm raptors and wolves when i mid sometimes ! :[

Riot doesn't want you stealing jungle camps from junglers anyway.

TrylobyteDec 17, 20142 votes

Only if you also make it so that Machete users don't get XP from lane minions for the same amount of time. Fairness and all. Can't let the jungler tax his laners if the laners can't tax the jungler right back.

RaptameiDec 17, 20141 votes

Stop enforcing the meta.

KingsgraveDec 17, 20147 votes

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Stop enforcing the meta.

How in the world is this even remotely meta related?

Penguin EclipseDec 17, 20142 votes

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How in the world is this even remotely meta related?

Because it punishes teams that want to try something different. What if a team doesn't want a jungler and wants their lanes to farm the jungle at will? They would be punished by not getting experience.

KingsgraveDec 17, 20141 votes

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Because it punishes teams that want to try something different. What if a team doesn't want a jungler and wants their lanes to farm the jungle at will? They would be punished by not getting experience.

The meta exists because its the most efficient way to play the game. Why in the world would you even have people not have a jungler? You would have no jungle pressure, reduced experience and way less gold overall.

Penguin EclipseDec 17, 20142 votes

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The meta exists because its the most efficient way to play the game. Why in the world would you even have people not have a jungler? You would have no jungle pressure, reduced experience and way less gold overall.

It's "believed" to be the most efficient way of playing the game because Riot made it that way. All of these pre-season jungle changes just further restrict creativity and enforce the meta.

Believe it or not there are a number of very effective ways to play this game, including ways that don't include a dedicated jungler in the traditional sense. Or at least there were. The jungle changes make it much harder to have a non-traditional jungle now,

KingsgraveDec 17, 20142 votes

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It's "believed" to be the most efficient way of playing the game because Riot made it that way. All of these pre-season jungle changes just further restrict creativity and enforce the meta.

Believe it or not there are a number of very effective ways to play this game, including ways that don't include a dedicated jungler in the traditional sense. Or at least there were. The jungle changes make it much harder to have a non-traditional jungle now,

People didn't jungle until they realized that they can funnel gold into one person, have 2 solo lanes and still protect the carry bot lane. Riot decided to make the jungle easier to allow them to do that. Then they made it slightly harder, then tweaked it a bit and then made it as it is now.

The meta exists because its the most efficient way to play the game. If there were a better way to play the game the Koreans wouldve figured it out by now.

Penguin EclipseDec 17, 20141 votes

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People didn't jungle until they realized that they can funnel gold into one person, have 2 solo lanes and still protect the carry bot lane. Riot decided to make the jungle easier to allow them to do that. Then they made it slightly harder, then tweaked it a bit and then made it as it is now.

The meta exists because its the most efficient way to play the game. If there were a better way to play the game the Koreans wouldve figured it out by now.

They tweaked it A LOT more. And you want to tweak it further.

The Koreans figure things out all the time. And everytime they do, Riot quickly makes changes to prevent these "problems" from continuing. This isn't the game it used to be.

pE4CbxDPQODec 17, 20141 votes

Yeah, letting people unwittingly hurt their team is enforcing the meta... We have smite because we have junglers, let them jungle.

Pollyanna WrightDec 17, 20141 votes

I feel like the only issue with this would be top lane swaps again. If they swap lanes and its 2v1 he's not gonna get any EXP so he has to get some from camps with his jungler. Pretty common thing in LCS when it was happening, changing it would make it so swaps were stronger :O