AP Ivern is Useless ATM

Woodakoodashooda··4 votes·1,236 views

If you came here before down voting because of the title then congratulations on taking out a moment to read this far.

Ivern scales off AP, but he does not have the burst to put that AP to use. He can't Q,W,E,R combo champions to death and he has no escapes for when things get hairy. His movement speed is also incredibly low and he's a big guy, making him a standing target.

An AP Ivern will get one skill, maybe two, off before dying to being collapsed upon by the enemy, especially when they realize how easy it is to kill him. And any AD champ will be able to 2 shot him on their own if he's caught out.

Other than making Daisy slightly less squishy and granting a big shield that doesn't last very long, there's no real reason to build Ivern as an AP champion.

Daisy doesn't even offer much in the way of combat. She has ridiculously slow attack speed and she stops doing anything whenever A, her target dies or B, her target leaves her ranged. Pinging for 1 of 4 allies to do something is hard enough already, why should we be expected to ping for a 5th one to stop going neutral and stay in 1st gear?

His unreliable ultimate is another reason building AP Ivern is a bad idea.

The only build I've seen work on him is a CDR Tank. You keep Ivern alive and you can at least provide long lasting utility to your allies whether they appreciate it or not.

12 Comments

Swiftstrike42 votes

Ivern is useless at the moment. Every time I play with or against an Ivern they just feed horrendously and are the central reason the team loses.

Ralanr1 votes

The only AP items he even needs are RoA and Rylai's. RoA because of the scaling, and Rylai's because it makes his E a great chase tool IMO.

Beyond that, go cinderhulk and straight tank.

Penns1 votes

His e? :o

Big Lincoln1 votes

but his E already has a 2 second slow that's better than what rylai's gives

unless daisy applies rylai i don't see why it would be good

LXII1 votes

Ivern's ranged auto attacks apply the slow from Rylai's. Not sure if intended or not, but as of right now they proc all spell effects.

Ralanr1 votes

Ohh. Well I sure wasted a lot of time farming for nothing but some health and AP I guess.

Penns1 votes

Daisy and his ranged autos apply Rylais so its really good on him actually.

Astôlfo1 votes

The whole point is he's a utility support champion. Yes, he has AP scalings, but that doesn't mean building AP is optimal. If you die before you can even live long enough to maintain said utility, that defeats the point.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

I've seen dom go challenging smite w/ cinerhulk. mobis -> rylias -> protobelt -> lich bane

coupled with CDR runes he reaches 40% cdr with blue which he shares with his mid lane. he goes E > W > Q for ranking. shield first, then brush, then stun last.

LXII1 votes

My usual build: item 3158 item 1414 item 3152 item 3116 item 3060 item 3512 Works pretty well for me.

Build that I just ruined an Ekko top with: item 3158 item 3115 item 3152 item 3116 game didn't go on for full build.

He does exactly what he's supposed to do with ap.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Why do you want him to do crap loads of damage. Ivern wouldn't hurt anyone.

Also, the sheer utility he provides should make up for his individual lack of damage.

oishter1 votes

For all looking for the answer to this, you don't build ivern ap. you build him apc. his w does damage sometimes and it works in bushes (which he can spawn!) this means that he's deadly at all times because he can do a bit of damage maybe and you won't be able to target him! Op build tbh riot nerf

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