Why does Riot still think it's okay for Shyvana to be building the way she is right now? An AD fighting champion that's better off building AP burst? If it were some kind of secondary off pick like how some people try AP Nunu, but in the end tank Nunu is better that's one thing. But the fact that AP Shyvana outshines AD Shyvana in every way is wrong.
Frosted Tips5 votesShe is on the tier 1 list for a VGU, so I doubt this build will go away, atleast until the VGU, since Bruiser Shyvana is terrible and is so one dimensional that buffing it is a mistake.
AIQ1 votesHave they released an official list recently or is that from the post a month or 2 ago?
Frosted Tips1 votesIt is from atleast 2 months ago. There were close to 15 champions on that list including Shyv, Mundo, Fiddle, Pantheon, Nocturne, etc.
taleofsonata2 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xsFkXF15,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-09T20:17:03.313+0000)
She is on the tier 1 list for a VGU, so I doubt this build will go away, atleast until the VGU, since Bruiser Shyvana is terrible and is so one dimensional that buffing it is a mistake.
Not terrible, since the wits end buff she is be played back as a bruiser.
Paroe3 votes@thread What exactly is wrong with shyvana's most successful build being AP?
Honestly speaking when shyvana builds "normally" shes very stat check-ee and feast or famine. When shes meta-strong shes also extremely overbearing and not fun to play against. Her W needs an AP ratio again and she would be a really fun AP champion beyond her current "i try my best to oneshot squishies" AP playstyle.
If Shyvana's Q didnt scale only with AD and if her W didnt scale only with AD, no one would even make the argument that shes meant to BE and AD champion.
Frosted Tips3 votesI think a better arguement instead if looking at it being AP verse AD is more so how the playstyle shifts. So traditionally Shyvana is meant to be a melee fighter that is all up in your face while her current successful playstyle is chunk the enemy with one ability from high range.
Now I agree that thematically Shyvana should be an AP Fighter, but since Riot has still neglected to give AP Fighters proper itemization she is forced to build AD Fighter to fit her designed playstyle.
So I hope that Riot is actually prepared to make AP Fighter items like they recently said they would look into with the item shop clean up, and hopefully Shyvana recieves her VGU and has her mathematics and gameplay line up better.
Paroe1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frosted Tips,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xsFkXF15,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-09T21:48:48.849+0000)
I think a better arguement instead if looking at it being AP verse AD is more so how the playstyle shifts. So traditionally Shyvana is meant to be a melee fighter that is all up in your face while her current successful playstyle is chunk the enemy with one ability from high range.
Now I agree that thematically Shyvana should be an AP Fighter, but since Riot has still neglected to give AP Fighters proper itemization she is forced to build AD Fighter to fit her designed playstyle.
So I hope that Riot is actually prepared to make AP Fighter items like they recently said they would look into with the item shop clean up, and hopefully Shyvana recieves her VGU and has her mathematics and gameplay line up better.
Shyvana actually functions very well with an AP fighter build already.
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We need more AP+HP items that are suited less for battlemages and more for fighters though. Also Mana conversion. I would LOVE to get RoA.
Frosted Tips5 votesNone of those are AP fighter items. Mages use all of those items better than any AP Fighter.
AIQ1 votesAP Shyvanas current best builds are.
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These are usually capped with void staff and one of the other 3 items.
All but 1 have no HP or defensive stats. Shyvana is supposed to be an all in champion. AP Shyvana is an "I need to stay as far as possible" champion.
In order for Shyvana to function as a "AP Bruiser" She'd need to be Sylased and receive high base stats with only AP ratios and a massive shield/heal if she ever wanted to be in the fight longer than 3 seconds..
Alzon2 votesBoth builds perform well but in different situations, at least until you get into higher elos where chunking someone for 2/3 their HP from long range is more valuable than being a frontline tank shredder or diver.
Anatera1 votesLeave it. The game needs more variety. Accidental or otherwise.
ChaosReyn1 votesHonestly, right now that's the only reason Shyvanna is viable, and if they buff her bruiser stats at the moment, she's gonna be a massive stat check.
They need to buff her tankiness more than her AD build to make her a bruiser worth her salt...but at the moment, they're a bit too scared of hitting the tank meta again. They've made some notable steps to shrink the damage a bit, but they're moving as slowly as they are so that I can't just play Tahm Kench top, permaban Vayne, and be a godmode, tanky tank slaying monster again.
Shiroe Okazaki1 votesThey should make her R more tanky so she can frontline and fight better maybe.
Mavëríck1 votesAP Shyvana is a mage with full AP tho.... just blow her up.
Saezio1 votesErrr sorry but with the current jungle XP bullshit, it's straight up impossible to play farming junglers. Ad shyvana's thing was to permafarm because she did it so well, and be level 14 when her enemy was 12 for example simply by having 100 more CS than a standard jungler. Right now there is not enough jungle to do that. So she can't exist as AD
lonesor1 votesJust check the game history of any AP shyvana user to see how huge that damage was. Even don't need much trick, just press RE. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lana+del+Nihilum https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=ldareyou
