Adc has no champ above 51% wr at the current patch, most being sub 50%

Rexxiee·Mar 22, 2018·2 votes·953 views

"But wtf adc is the highest impact role!!!" -Boards

Meanwhile games in high elo are singlehandedly decided by the better jungler 19 out of 20 games.

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dunder killMar 22, 20186 votes

You realize since there is an ADC on both teams every game, those winrates are comparative against other ADCs? One ADC will win, one will lose every game. All that means is that relative power between ADCs is pretty equal

greekvandaLMar 22, 20184 votes

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You realize since there is an ADC on both teams every game, those winrates are comparative against other ADCs? One ADC will win, one will lose every game. All that means is that relative power between ADCs is pretty equal

Don't use basic logic. If someone defends ADCS in this season they shouldnt even be talked to.

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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You realize since there is an ADC on both teams every game, those winrates are comparative against other ADCs? One ADC will win, one will lose every game. All that means is that relative power between ADCs is pretty equal

Execept thats not how it works.

And adcs have never been like this, some had 54~55% for quite a while, now there isnt a single one above 51%, it means the role got weaker.

AngrychickénMar 22, 20184 votes

That is when certain adcs were way above other adcs in powerlevel.

rework trundleMar 22, 20181 votes

So basically, they're screwing up the data really hard because they're balanced among themselves, but unbalanced compared to the other champions

AngrychickénMar 22, 20181 votes

Yes. That is correct

dunder killMar 22, 20182 votes

Bot lane ADC is a bit different. Difference being there is almost always two marksmen in that role exclusively. That means that one marksmen ADC will always win, one marksmen will always lose in that role. So if both are equally overpowered, it will still end in an even 50% for both of them.

Compare that to other roles that have multiple different classes per position. The same applies. One jungler will always win, one will lose. However, you can then start to see trends between the different classes. If say the majority of tank junglers are doing poorly in the jungle while the majority of assassin junglers are doing well, you can reasonable assume that tank junglers are a bit undertuned. That still doesn't speak for the overall power of the role because both teams have one. All it means is that one class or champ is performing that role too well

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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Bot lane ADC is a bit different. Difference being there is almost always two marksmen in that role exclusively. That means that one marksmen ADC will always win, one marksmen will always lose in that role. So if both are equally overpowered, it will still end in an even 50% for both of them.

Compare that to other roles that have multiple different classes per position. The same applies. One jungler will always win, one will lose. However, you can then start to see trends between the different classes. If say the majority of tank junglers are doing poorly in the jungle while the majority of assassin junglers are doing well, you can reasonable assume that tank junglers are a bit undertuned. That still doesn't speak for the overall power of the role because both teams have one. All it means is that one class or champ is performing that role too well

If that was the case, it would have been ALL THE TIME, yet it only started happening with recent adcs nerfs over the last patches, every adc wr is lowering and lowering.

And you still cant tell the role is weaker?

The delusion here is real.

dunder killMar 22, 20182 votes

The only delusion here is that jungle is overpowered because of level 3 ganks. We'll just ignore the fact that they fall off like a sack of bricks afterwards and don't even beat the duo lane to 6 half the time. They barely even get more income than the support

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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The only delusion here is that jungle is overpowered because of level 3 ganks. We'll just ignore the fact that they fall off like a sack of bricks afterwards and don't even beat the duo lane to 6 half the time. They barely even get more income than the support

Junglers are extremely broken for the first 20 mins of the game, and high elo games have a sub 20 min game time average (15 mins in challeneger btw).

Guess which role is the strongest in high elo? Jungler followed by support.

SchenixMar 22, 20181 votes

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Mid is the best role for carrying and overall impact is implied. But as you get higher, junglers begin to impact the map correctly and the laners whom actually respect another begin to respect the jungler as well as how support is simply not that favored nor consistently impactful -- is what we might reasonably infer from Riots own stat graph.

NemeBroMar 22, 20181 votes

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Execept thats not how it works.

And adcs have never been like this, some had 54~55% for quite a while, now there isnt a single one above 51%, it means the role got weaker.

Or it means the role is more internally balanced right now, since again, ADC win rate is only measured against other ADC win rates.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20182 votes

Xayah Jinx Twitch are all over 51%

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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are all over 51%

Twitch at 49%, xayah at 50% and jinx is the highest wr adc at 51.3%.

WOW WHAT A BROKEN CLASS WTF, never mind the multiple 55% wr junglers/mids/tops/supports.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20182 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics#

Let me guess you're using champion.gg? The same site that says 1 tricks are worse on their mains than players with sub 50 games

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics#

Let me guess you're using champion.gg? The same site that says 1 tricks are worse on their mains than players with sub 50 games

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/grid/

Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20182 votes

Adc has no champ above 51% wr at the current patch, most being sub 50%

posts link with 4 adcs Above 51%

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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posts link with 4 adcs Above 51%

Yeah dude, 51.2, 51.3, all so much higher than 51%

Its called rounding.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20183 votes

Huh we're rounding? Ok then let me see... By rounding to the nearest whole number, Jinx has a 52% win Rate

Adc has no champ above 51% wr

But wait there's more!

most being sub 50%

4/17 adcs have below a 50% since were rounding. Last I checked, hold on let me double check my math.... 24% =/= most. In fact it's far from a majority.

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20182 votes

Jinx is 51.6.

By rounding to the nearest whole number, Jinx has a 52% win Rate

It's ok, I can see how you got confused by me listing one person using your arbitrary use of sig figs.

Colton147Mar 22, 20181 votes

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are all over 51%

Jinx is still a trash tier ADC despite her win rate.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20181 votes

She's seeing light play in lcs lck and lpl. You should let the pros know shes bad

RenownedWheat42Mar 22, 20182 votes

Are you making this post AGAIN? Really?

If you refused to listen to literally any of the comments the last time then honestly, like last time, this will get nowhere.

CochoMar 22, 20182 votes

ADC's Winrates are all close to 50%
????????????
ADCs weak

Makes sense right. Cant argue with that logic

King KogMar 22, 20181 votes

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"But wtf adc is the highest impact role!!!" -Boards

Meanwhile games in high elo are singlehandedly decided by the better jungler 19 out of 20 games.

You know that you are actually right, junglers have the most impact in the game and the support has more of the impact for getting the adc ahead early on than the adc himself. You will never win in the boards because the boards are filled with adc haters. Dont worry, they lack the skill required to play the role that requires you to properly position in teamfights amongst the likes of full cc tanks and assassins just waiting for you to take one step too close.

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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You know that you are actually right, junglers have the most impact in the game and the support has more of the impact for getting the adc ahead early on than the adc himself. You will never win in the boards because the boards are filled with adc haters. Dont worry, they lack the skill required to play the role that requires you to properly position in teamfights amongst the likes of full cc tanks and assassins just waiting for you to take one step too close.

Well i know that, they want to talk about how sion and ww with absurd play + win rates are the most balanced champs in the game and on how vayne and yasuo are massively overpowered.

Sp33d Zer0Mar 22, 20181 votes

The problem is that adc has a lot of power and no agency.

If I get ahead I can absolutely crush a game. If I get behind I can try to stall it out...

But I can't roam like mid jungle support. I can't pick the fights. I can't make the split push decisions.

This is the problem. With adc right now. We have a ton of power from our items but we are so team reliant that it's often not even up to me whether I get fed or not. It's up to my support to help me be aggressive or my jungler to choose to tank.

RexxieeMar 22, 20181 votes

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The problem is that adc has a lot of power and no agency.

If I get ahead I can absolutely crush a game. If I get behind I can try to stall it out...

But I can't roam like mid jungle support. I can't pick the fights. I can't make the split push decisions.

This is the problem. With adc right now. We have a ton of power from our items but we are so team reliant that it's often not even up to me whether I get fed or not. It's up to my support to help me be aggressive or my jungler to choose to tank.

Agency = game impact.

Adc is the most team reliant role in the game so they always have had lower agency than normal, thats why they have recieved to many buffs back then in the first place, thats what ppl seem to forget.

Junglers have the highest agency on the game now beacuse they can end games in 10 minutes with their own game impact alone.

Critmaster GarenMar 22, 20181 votes

thats not how marksman winrate works and you well fucking know that.

each team has an adc. if theyre at 50% winrate, it tells you theyre balanced against each other, but not how theyre balanced towards the rest of the game.

theyre still batshit overpowered when compared to fighters, skirmishers and apc.