I don't mind if you take one or two kills as the support but...

JavelinJoe··5 votes·405 views

If you are the support and are not on any kind of carry champ (like Lux or something), it is OK for you to "accidentally" take one or two kills from your ADC, while not great, things happen like where you had to secure it or the would have escaped. But if you keep taking kills from your ADC, and expect to transition well into mid-late game on par with or greater than the opposing ADC, you are mistaken. You might get full build at 30 or so minutes because of the more gold, but your ADC is down 1000+ gold because of it, and the ADC has one of the most expensive standard builds in the game. They need the kill gold because they are balanced (item wise) around that inflated income.

So please, if you have to kill the opponent I get it and it had to be done, but if you are full comboing them when they have >20% health, at least try to hold back a spell or two so you can give the kill to the ADC (or any other role that you are fighting along side). And if you are soloing them, by all means take the kill or try and donate it, this ones up to you.

17 Comments

Aptest7 votes

Dear ADC player,

The extra 5 seconds I saved by nuking the opponent are the difference between you shoving the wave and shopping, and you shoving the wave doing the enemy gromp or the scuttle and only then shopping. It is the difference between me shoving with you and going to base, to me rushing mid and ganking. It is the deep ward in the enemy jungle letting our top lane be aggressive without concern. It is the enemy jungler or mid not appearing in the last second like the flood and sweeping us away.

Any of these objectives are more / better than 150 extra gold on you, when we are already getting kills and objective control.

My time = more / better plays by our jungler, top and mid in future. My time = freedom to be aggressive in the future.

My time scales much harder than your items. And spikes sooner, too.

So i will save as much of it, as i can.

/your support.

JavelinJoe1 votes

I agree that those are important objectives. But if you go out of your way to kill steal for more time, when you would have gotten the time anyways since your damage dealers could have finished them off without you, that is the problem.

Aptest2 votes

Dear ADC,

you could not would not have finished your opponent without me. I am the lock-down that keeps your target in range. Therefore, regardless of whether you can win or not, I must remain in the fight, if only to enable you to secure a kill from your win.

Secondly, dear ADC, I have shown you the value of 5 seconds of my time. Yours is worth, just as much. To save my time, and yours as well: much better than you getting 150 more gold.

now, ADC dearest, I have bought you 4 extra free AAs on the enemy tower. Go and do them.

/your support.

Amasa Delano3 votes

Never regret a kill secured.

Privileged Jew2 votes

And that's why I play carry supports likeZyra . My idiot ADC can just sit back and enjoy the ride while I smash bot and carry teamfights with my AOE spells.

zacktootall2 votes

oh look a crying adc im not sorry if your support is just sometimes the proffered or better player but to be honest your role is the most useless one in my opinion. you can only start carrying after getting babied all laning phase and even then needs to be shielded in team fights just to be of any use and get more kills to the otherwise useless score board. in my opinion supports are the ones that could/should/would be carrying if we didn't have you useless role to deal with.

Kledy McKledFace1 votes

I prefer taking kill from a noob adc that struggles to farm knowing I can make it worth by ganking top lane or mid lane

D3M4L1S1 votes

Kills or cs?

Brutalitops011 votes

If you have only 1000 gold at 30 minutes, your cs must be abysmal. That's not your support taking kills from you, that's you failing to last hit. I'm bad at last hitting and I can reliably have enough for a Serrated Dirk (1100) by like 8 minutes without any kills, just cs. Passive gold generation alone would give you 3672 in 30 minutes, not counting the 500 starting gold and not counting if your support is running item 3302 . What I'm saying here is that, even with no other gold generation, if you don't spend any gold, passive gen alone will give you over 4k gold in 30 minutes, over enough for Infinity Edge. And if you're so bad at ADC that, by 30 minutes, you have 0 kills, 0 assists, and 0 farm, why are you playing ADC?

JavelinJoe1 votes

DOWN 1000. It means less than the normal, average, and/or expected amount.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

If you think 1k behind is bad, try playing from 5000 behind.

JavelinJoe1 votes

damn that is basically FF level of behind if it is all on one player. Unless they are the designated meat bag for the enemy to waste abilities on lol.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Indeed, but regardless of champion, it sucks to play as.

BeeCuz1 votes

{quoted}

You might get full build at 30 or so minutes because of the more gold, but your ADC is down 1000+ gold because of it, and the ADC has one of the most expensive standard builds in the game. They need the kill gold because they are balanced (item wise) around that inflated income.

The typical Kill/Death/Assist of the support champions, filtered on Bronze+ : http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/support/bronze

See the terrain for what it is

JavelinJoe2 votes

You do realize that the majority of their kills are 2 and lower. So the terrain agrees with me in that you should not have a high kill count as the support. This post is for those who get 4 or 5 kills by taking them from the carries. 5 kills on a carry role is a lot more valuable than 5 assists.

Narvuntien1 votes

I used to worry about taking kills from my ADC but that lead me to pull punches and overall play worse, I am not going to use a big ulti to steal but if you pull punch people flash out and escape and it is hugely tilting.

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