Daily reminder that Blitz hook is toxic

Divewing·Oct 7, 2015·11 votes·669 views

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DrShokingOct 7, 20152 votes

what about the daily reminders about vayne ,teemo, riven, singed, veigar, cassiopia, juggernauts., and twitch?

DivewingOct 7, 20151 votes

I'd lose track if I did too many....

DrNovaOct 7, 20152 votes

Daily reminder that if you spent more time practicing and got better you wouldn't have to whine about weakening a champ just to make him easier for you to play against.

I'm a lowly bronze and have no trouble dodging it. Outside of aram anyways.

TyrenOct 7, 20151 votes

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Daily reminder that if you spent more time practicing and got better you wouldn't have to whine about weakening a champ just to make him easier for you to play against.

I'm a lowly bronze and have no trouble dodging it. Outside of aram anyways.

That and you don't want to grab the wrong target. Example once I was aiming for the enemy adc and their Amumu flashed to take to hook and R'd my team. I was ready to know him up. I guess he was just mashing R. Needless to say we lost that fight.

MLDzXnRRROct 8, 20152 votes

It's easy to dodge blitz' q, but with thresh you have no indication for the direction of his q.

General Esdeath Oct 7, 20151 votes

Daily reminder you can dodge it

DivewingOct 7, 20152 votes

OK no, dodging Nidalee and Blitz isnt sufficient, the reward is far too great for the little risk it involves. Honestly that hook has more power in it that some champion's ultimates, honestly if it WAS his ultimate I'd be fine with it. It only takes 1 TO LAND TO LOSE THE GAME AT ANY STAGE, you can't compare it to Thresh or Naut either because they dont bring you instantly to their team, neither have built in speed boosts, and Naut's is slow while thresh's has a huge delay.

Either gut his damage so his ADC is killing you instead of him in lane so he doesnt snowball off 1 grab, or nerf the grab.

General Esdeath Oct 7, 20152 votes

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OK no, dodging Nidalee and Blitz isnt sufficient, the reward is far too great for the little risk it involves. Honestly that hook has more power in it that some champion's ultimates, honestly if it WAS his ultimate I'd be fine with it. It only takes 1 TO LAND TO LOSE THE GAME AT ANY STAGE, you can't compare it to Thresh or Naut either because they dont bring you instantly to their team, neither have built in speed boosts, and Naut's is slow while thresh's has a huge delay.

Either gut his damage so his ADC is killing you instead of him in lane so he doesnt snowball off 1 grab, or nerf the grab.

Except aside from his hook his kit is garbage. His ult is nice but that's really it. And if you miss the hook it's a long CD and it's easy to abuse him once it's down.

DivewingOct 7, 20152 votes

Except it isnt easily punished outside lane phase, and even in lane its hard to do anything. The reward he gets from it is disgusting, and he doesn't even put himself in much danger for it. No his kit is not garbage because he has bullshit burst without building it. For thresh if he wants you near him, he comes to you, naut does the same, blitz would rather the opposite and bring you to him, so there is minimal risk involved ESPECIALLY THE LATER THE GAME GOES, because he'll be with his team then.

General Esdeath Oct 7, 20151 votes

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Except it isnt easily punished outside lane phase, and even in lane its hard to do anything. The reward he gets from it is disgusting, and he doesn't even put himself in much danger for it. No his kit is not garbage because he has bullshit burst without building it. For thresh if he wants you near him, he comes to you, naut does the same, blitz would rather the opposite and bring you to him, so there is minimal risk involved ESPECIALLY THE LATER THE GAME GOES, because he'll be with his team then.

Outside laning phase? You mean team fights when the tank is front line? And what burst? What are you smoking? He has a speed boost that slows him when it's done and a knock up for a single person in melee range. Then an aoe silence, that's it. And what does he do when he misses it? If you engage on him (Which you should) he sits there with his thumb up his butt being kited or trying to save the adc your Thresh just hooked who is basically CC'd for 2 seconds with the hook/flay combo.

DivewingOct 8, 20151 votes

Yeah no you cant say that, you cant say Blitz misses his hook and cant do crap while thresh lands his. By the same token I say what if thresh misses his hook and blitz moves up and lands his because theres no threat? And.... have you not seen the base damage and scaling on his ultimate...?

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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Yeah no you cant say that, you cant say Blitz misses his hook and cant do crap while thresh lands his. By the same token I say what if thresh misses his hook and blitz moves up and lands his because theres no threat? And.... have you not seen the base damage and scaling on his ultimate...?

If Thresh misses his hook he still has his flay, ult, and lantern which is the greatest support skill this game has ever seen. And base damage is nice but that won't do anything for him late game.

DivewingOct 8, 20151 votes

That's not my point, my point is you're creating variables to swing the argument in your favour. Regardless, you still haven't actually answered my original statement (the hook is toxic) does being able to dodge it, threshs consistency, or the rest of blitz's kit change how toxic the ability is? no. All it is is a sad lame attempt at compensation for an ability that is either too powerful to be a basic ability, or just an ability in general. You also cannot use: "just dodge it" as a reason because it implies you will never get hit by it if you try to dodge it, which isn't the case, if it were, no skillshot champion would ever be picked competitively.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

I agree with you that guy yup ur talking to is wrong, no one in the game has a move that doubles your total ad, and ap he will burst the hell out of you killing you

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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I agree with you that guy yup ur talking to is wrong, no one in the game has a move that doubles your total ad, and ap he will burst the hell out of you killing you

https://gyazo.com/d3753cfcaf8a66c87ea5561593e4a824

Woah! Look! A 100% ratio! It's almost like it doubles the AD! WOAH MAN!

I really wonder if people know they can look up these champs and their skills.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

You really have no idea what your talking about. That link is old, play as him In a custom game and reread the move description again.

Active: Blitzcrank charges up his fist to make his next attack deal double his total attack damage and knock his target up in the air. Cost: 25 mana

Cooldown: 9/8/7/6/5 seconds

That is what it does there chief, so if you managed to build 350 ad with triforce your e would do over 1k damage

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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You really have no idea what your talking about. That link is old, play as him In a custom game and reread the move description again.

Active: Blitzcrank charges up his fist to make his next attack deal double his total attack damage and knock his target up in the air. Cost: 25 mana

Cooldown: 9/8/7/6/5 seconds

That is what it does there chief, so if you managed to build 350 ad with triforce your e would do over 1k damage

"Double his total attack damage"

So +100% AD? Like in the link? Holy moly you don't even know how to read? And that pic is from today from the wiki.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

No what ever your ad is at learn to read so if if your ad was 350 and 100% of his ad would be 350. And that's all it does since I have to explain it so double his total ad or 200% if you want numbers would be 700 damage. Does that make sense did I explain it clear enough

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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No what ever your ad is at learn to read so if if your ad was 350 and 100% of his ad would be 350. And that's all it does since I have to explain it so double his total ad or 200% if you want numbers would be 700 damage. Does that make sense did I explain it clear enough

You just said exactly what I said...good God man...

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

No you really don't understand numbers do you

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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That's not my point, my point is you're creating variables to swing the argument in your favour. Regardless, you still haven't actually answered my original statement (the hook is toxic) does being able to dodge it, threshs consistency, or the rest of blitz's kit change how toxic the ability is? no. All it is is a sad lame attempt at compensation for an ability that is either too powerful to be a basic ability, or just an ability in general. You also cannot use: "just dodge it" as a reason because it implies you will never get hit by it if you try to dodge it, which isn't the case, if it were, no skillshot champion would ever be picked competitively.

Dude stay behind the minions and you won't get hit by it. I'm not creating any variables I'm telling you facts. How many times have you seen Blitz in lcs? Compare that to Thresh. Every single skill Thresh has is a great support skill. Blitz has his hook, a item 3069 that slows him when it's done, a knock up he needs to be in melee range for, and an aoe silence. If you think that's toxic you're probably one of those supports/adcs who stands there and doesn't try to dodge.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

Your wrong he is all around very very strong. Ad blitz does more damage then any other melee, his ap moves all have high damage and high ratios I'm not sure how you think that's trash

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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Your wrong he is all around very very strong. Ad blitz does more damage then any other melee, his ap moves all have high damage and high ratios I'm not sure how you think that's trash

He has high AD Ratios because before support was a thing, Riot wanted him to be a top laner. But who goes AD Blitz as a support? If you don't go tanky you're going to die before you can do much. And again, his hook ratio doesn't matter if you dodge it.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

Ah you just stated his kit is garbage when it's not, he is just hard to play as. And I recently played a game where blitz was top and literally carried his team. Why don't you see it any more

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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Ah you just stated his kit is garbage when it's not, he is just hard to play as. And I recently played a game where blitz was top and literally carried his team. Why don't you see it any more

First off, never judge on one game alone. Big mistake. Second off, his kit as a support (Which we're talking about) isn't that great at all. It's only good if the other team is scared of you and can't stay calm and react to your hooks.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

First off 1 grab at a certain time will win you the game thresh can't. Do that because blitz grab is instant and 4hresh is not and thresh doesn't bring u over to team. And how is his kit garbage do tell

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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First off 1 grab at a certain time will win you the game thresh can't. Do that because blitz grab is instant and 4hresh is not and thresh doesn't bring u over to team. And how is his kit garbage do tell

1 grab that can be avoided if you're behind your minions or tank, which you should be. And pulling a tank is a terrible idea. Pull Alistar? Free knock up of 2+ people. Garen? He's gonna spin. Darius? He's gonna go nuts. Gnar? Ult. Again, Blitz is only going to do anything if the enemy team is dumb enough.

khorneyOct 8, 20151 votes

Hence why I said 1 grab will win you the game 1 person out of place. And when I said win game that implies towards the end of the game so there really isn't a stand behind cs there

General Esdeath Oct 8, 20151 votes

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Hence why I said 1 grab will win you the game 1 person out of place. And when I said win game that implies towards the end of the game so there really isn't a stand behind cs there

"Stand behind the minions or tank" and you can push with the minion wave.

LuggOct 7, 20151 votes

Daily reminder that he is still less toxic than Annie Azir Chogath Darius Diana Ekko Fiora Fizz Gangplank Garen Gnar Heimerdinger Irelia Kalista Katarina Leblanc LeeSin Lux MasterYi Mordekaiser Nasus Nidalee Olaf RekSai Rengar Riven Ryze TahmKench Talon Teemo Thresh Tryndamere Vayne XinZhao Yasuo Zed

RalanrOct 8, 20151 votes

Gangplank? Toxic? First I'm hearing of it.

LuggOct 8, 20151 votes

I guess you have never had your whole team lose 60% of their health to a barrel.

RalanrOct 8, 20151 votes

You mean the barrels that require some smart placement, avoid 40% armor for the damage, damage that doesn't stack if hit by more than one barrel and can be taken out before he explodes them by anyone with sufficient AS and range (like marksmen).

LuggOct 8, 20151 votes

You can't be hit by more than one because it would be an instant Ace every fight. Plus he puts the first barrel where you can't see/reach it and just chains them before you can take it out.

RalanrOct 8, 20151 votes

Difference between a good gangplank and a bad gangplank is how well they set off those barrels. Also, item 3157 .

LuggOct 8, 20151 votes

Yeah, never seen an entire team with item 3157

RalanrOct 8, 20151 votes

If you can't take out the barrels before they explode (which any marksmen or mage can do from a safe distance) then don't fight near the barrels (since he can't force you into them easily). If you find yourself shoved into them a lot, get an item that can nullify the damage.

There are counters.

LuggOct 8, 20151 votes

That's a big IF. If you don't fight near the barrels, GP zones you out hard and you can't contest objectives. Plus, if you do item 3157 , GP just drops a barrel on you and explodes it as you come out for an easy kill.

RalanrOct 8, 20151 votes

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That's a big IF. If you don't fight near the barrels, GP zones you out hard and you can't contest objectives. Plus, if you do , GP just drops a barrel on you and explodes it as you come out for an easy kill.

That's the only solid thing in anything that deals with combat/competition. Nothing is guaranteed, everything is an IF. You can only adapt and change your style if your style doesn't work against your opponent. There's a reason we don't use spears in war anymore.