"Farsight trinket is being used too much"

Divewing·Dec 9, 2015·321 votes·9,570 views

Well you removed stealth wards and its the only ward upgrade.... not like we can buy multiple pinks, i mean what the heck were you expecting.....?

165 Comments

Packun FlowerDec 9, 2015100 votes

Speaking of things being used to much.

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NegusInParisDec 9, 20154 votes

Schhhhhhhh whenever someone talks about they end up missing

A Miss FortuneDec 9, 201554 votes

Thank god they removed Revive, Clarity, and Clairvoyance too. Ugh. I feel like they lowered the diversity in games and people only used them because they were super op.

Hay5eedDec 9, 201510 votes

Yeah how dare they have a summoner spell that might compare to flash?

Legal WrightsDec 10, 20152 votes

To be fair, the only time anyone used ANY of those summoner spells was to troll. Disco Nunu was getting that obnoxious.

A Miss FortuneDec 10, 20152 votes

People did find strategies for them on specific champions though. Like Revive on Karthus wasn't that bad, he turned the game basically into a 6v5, or taking Clairvoyance on Nunu and making the enemy Jungler regret playing.

Call A DrDec 9, 20159 votes

I would love them if they removed flash, get Ghost back in the game :D

KaisadiIIaDec 9, 201510 votes

A mobility spell that can be actually countered? How dare you /s

StaconaDec 9, 201510 votes

Flash should be removed from the game.

"If everyone has it, then no one has it..."

PikmintsDec 9, 201511 votes

They said a long time ago that the game evolved naturally around flash early on, champs were then subsequently balanced and designed around the fact that that ability was available/near perma-picked. Flash is so thoroughly integrated into the way this game is balanced that they could dedicate the entirety of a pre-season's budget to balancing the game so that it isn't perma-picked.

StaconaDec 9, 20151 votes

That is bull shit, champions don't need Flash at all and they can simply remove it and add more spell to the game

TurquoiseYoshiDec 9, 201511 votes

An Anivia without Flash is a gutted Anivia. Same with Annie, Galio, Ashe, and basically every champ in the game that has no mobility.

TheCeeJayDec 9, 201546 votes

"Oracle Alteration is being used too much. So we nerfed it even though it's the only possible upgrade for the red trinket."

sreggadDec 9, 20154 votes

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"Oracle Alteration is being used too much. So we nerfed it even though it's the only possible upgrade for the red trinket."

your looking at it wrong it's not an "upgrade" it's a change of the item.

Deadly MittensDec 9, 20159 votes

Ok, it's an alternative.

That happens to be an upgrade in 99% of scenarios.

Critmaster GarenDec 9, 201534 votes

people are "upgrading" stealth wards?

the strategic advantage of having vision on an area without the enemy knowing it outright and being able to immediately kill it after you placed the thing was too important to bother with farsight for me.

these vision changes are part of the reason why this game became so goddamn snowbally. when will riot realize that these vision items are always only useful for the champ/team who can defend their wards.

visible wards are useless if youre getting zoned from them and they get taken out immediately. they cant fulfill their main purpose anymore, which is protect youself from a stronger opponent taking you off guard.

pE4CbxDPQODec 9, 201510 votes

You just start on your side of the map with them. Use it on CD. Then move to river. If they are still up move to the enemy jungle. It's a team effort.

Critmaster GarenDec 9, 201527 votes

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You just start on your side of the map with them. Use it on CD. Then move to river. If they are still up move to the enemy jungle. It's a team effort.

where is the difference to green wards?

the difference is, that if the enemy team is already owning your jungle and running around on your side of the map, they can immediately take these visible wards out of play.

while its much harder when you have to search for them like in season 5.

same reasons pink wards are a shit defense against eve ganks. she comes around, zones you from it with her buddy, they take it out and youre back to guessing if shes still around and if you can poke your head out from behind your turret. and thats just if your opponent cant take it out on his own because hes stronger.

the vision system was working in season 5. it would probably still be working if at least the old trinket upgrade existed that gave you 2 wards on a decent cooldown.

DurzakaDec 9, 20159 votes

The idea is that it gives you long range scouting potential, and vision if used when the enemy isnt around and dont see it placed.

It is a great thing, just not worth everyone getting it, AND a problem because it is the only upgrade choice.

TotalJerkDec 9, 20153 votes

You could literally ward every single bush in both jungles and the river without leaving mid lane, and you could have an infinite number, dropping one every 60-48 seconds.

Dar RaksadaDec 9, 20152 votes

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You could literally ward every single bush in both jungles and the river without leaving mid lane, and you could have an infinite number, dropping one every 60-48 seconds.

That's assuming your enemies are afk, if they are not those wards (in their jungle/in the river) will be gone fast and the enemy will be richer for it.

koagerDec 9, 20155 votes

I've dropped blues everywhere and I see enemies walk through the bush but not bother stopping to deal that one hit to get rid of it. Granted I'm only playing normals but it confuses me so much why they allow me to keep so much vision.

LaoBushidoDec 9, 201523 votes

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pE4CbxDPQODec 9, 201522 votes

No fucking shit. I fucking want my green wards back. How the fuck are we gonna snowball games properly while were blind as fuck.

NiyumiDec 9, 201519 votes

Honestly though, with how horrible wards work now, no one needs sweepers ('cause there's never any wards anyway), and the blue trinket is just vastly superior than the yellow one, since you can, you know, have more than one ward up at a time.

kaltenashesDec 9, 20151 votes

and the blue trinket is just vastly superior than the yellow one,

was...and the blue trinket was just vastly superior than the yellow one,

with this huge cooldown, i dont think i'll be getting it again

SpecterVonBarenDec 9, 20155 votes

Cooldown isn't what'll hurt it the most, the huge nerf to its vision is what I think will drop it off the face of the earth.

TorgalDec 9, 201515 votes

They need to up the yellow trinket.

He is so weak, a lot of time, you can't ward because this stupid 10 years CD.

I miss the old yellow trinket.

AetheonusDec 9, 201511 votes

As someone that always upgraded trinkets and bought wards religiously, I do not like these constant nerfs to vision. I want my map to be lit up, not some dark zone of infinite gank-danger.

First they say players should ward more, then they gut our vision options. Players decide they still want to ward more, so they adapt and use the tools available to us, then they gut those tools too.

At least give a level 9 upgrade option to the Yellow Trinket that reduces its cooldown or increases its duration. As it stands, it is very difficult to maintain wards in your own proximity without item 2049 , let alone control strategic areas of the map.

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Laughing FishDec 9, 201510 votes

Overall I like most of the preseason changes. But the lack of vision makes jungling quite frustrating, as stopping counter junglers like Shaco and Udyr is far more difficult than it used to be. Come on rito, just: http://itstartsatmidnight.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/83/2015/09/fix.gif

Weasel KenseiDec 9, 20157 votes

item 3363 Is best on ADC and maybe Jungle if they took the stealth ward jg item. It allows for checking the bush without using thine own face to do so.

Even if you throw it into a bush with an enemy in there on an ADC, it may give enough time for them to make a skillshot, or ult onto the enemy inside allowing for a kill.

They also last forever, and it only takes 2 on your buffs to know if they enemy is skulking around your jungle. Sure they can break it, but theyve been spotted and thats the important part. I often guard my bot lane adjacent buff with a pink when Im jungling, this lets bot lane colapse on them with mid if they get spotted trying to steal. I can only buy one pink tho, but with farsight, I can have more perma wards on the map.

TotalJerkDec 9, 20154 votes

I was buying them on mid laners because you could ward SOOOO much from mid.

GixiaDec 9, 20157 votes

It's not SUPPOSED to be an upgrade, it's supposed to be a SIDEgrade. A valid option, but not strictly better.

KaisadiIIaDec 9, 20155 votes

That's not what strictly better means :/

Dar RaksadaDec 9, 201513 votes

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It's not SUPPOSED to be an upgrade, it's supposed to be a SIDEgrade. A valid option, but not strictly better.

then they should make yellow trinket not terrible.

BestTristMyHausDec 9, 20156 votes

If its not supposed to be an UPgrade, then it should be available at the start. If you need to wait till mid game to acquire it, it SHOULD be better, or else WHY WAIT?

sp441Dec 9, 20157 votes

Honestly, it wouldn't be so bad if the Stealth Totem didn't feel like shit.

It wouldn't be so bad if, say, by level 9, you had a maximum of 3 charges or something, and visiting the store restocked 1 charge.

Red RyuDec 9, 20156 votes

They wanted Farsight to be an option for vision but the trade offs aren't really quite there.

You can place it 4000 units away so the risk of warding is way lower, the vision is gives is barely under a normal warding totem, 900 vs 1100 range.

They cooldown is way lower, like half as much, and they last indefinitely.

The issue is that there weren't enough trades off to the Blue trinket. Which is why it got nerfed, so people have a reason to keep yellows more often.

CynikaDec 9, 201528 votes

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They wanted Farsight to be an option for vision but the trade offs aren't really quite there.

You can place it 4000 units away so the risk of warding is way lower, the vision is gives is barely under a normal warding totem, 900 vs 1100 range.

They cooldown is way lower, like half as much, and they last indefinitely.

The issue is that there weren't enough trades off to the Blue trinket. Which is why it got nerfed, so people have a reason to keep yellows more often.

The problem though is the yellow trinket right now is soooo weak :(. I really miss being able to spend 250g to actually have more than one stealth ward on the map at a time.

WestonbirtDec 9, 201520 votes

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RIP EFFICIENT VISION

We hardly knew ye

Nik NikersonDec 9, 20155 votes

We hardly knew ye because nobody purchased vision upgrades before.

CynikaDec 9, 201515 votes

Hi, I purchased them pretty much every game

TotalJerkDec 9, 201514 votes

Then yellow needs to get buffed. Yellow being shit is no excuse for blue being broken.

LordFluffyJrDec 9, 20156 votes

Riot ~ We noticed our player base is improving with team work in a game we want to make team work based. They are putting down vision, which is the point of all the trinkets, both sighstone items, and all 3 support items with sighstone upgrade. This is exactly what we wanted. So since we got what we wanted. We are decided to nerf it.

Lovely PantsDec 9, 20155 votes

I mean, you're operating from the view point that vision on the map should be more powerful while Riot is clearly intending for the jungle to be a much darker place. So when you ask what Riot is thinking, with the implication that they don't understand how much more difficult it is to access vision now, they're thinking "Nah, bro. You're right. We dropped the ball on this and need to get all these free wards off the map ASAP and get this item back down to where everything else is."

MrWasjigDec 9, 20154 votes

Vision is just getting worse and worse...Season 6 is going to be a shit time to be a Support main. We already have a hard enough time warding the entire map alone, and with the Farsight ward being nerfed how are we to expect people to even bother anymore. In fact the Farsight ward was the ONLY good totem left after the Pre-Season changes, because even the Sweepers got nerfed hard.

But now, none of the trinkets are any good. They are all "meh" to "utter crap".

RozzetaDec 9, 20153 votes

Reminds me of the legendary support reverse power creep back in season 3: Nerf 3 of 4 available supports, so everyone picks the unnerfed one. Then Riot proceeds to brand that support as overpowered and "elbowing the competition" on basis of the high pick rate, and proceed to nerf them to be below the other 3. Then the cycle repeats...

TotalJerkDec 9, 20154 votes

I hate this constant cycle of nerfing. It's just making everything feel weak and unsatisfying to play.

TotalJerkDec 9, 20153 votes

Farsight was legit broken and needed to be scaled back. It would have been broken even under the old vision system.