I remember when you could easily get 800 AP on Vel'Koz Lissandra ETC with full build.

Arcyyy·May 8, 2017·7 votes·738 views

Now you're lucky to break 500. What happened?

18 Comments

Warlord ScrapMay 8, 20174 votes

Besides ap getting reduced in items riot compensated by making your ap increase damage to towers. Most people forget that when they say ap has gone down since release.

LordGeovanniMay 9, 20171 votes

And that both mr and hp have massively dropped too.

Who is TaliyahMay 9, 20173 votes

both mr and hp have massively dropped

Wait what. Latest patch gave every champ that didn't get mr per level, a solid mr per level buff. Latest patch introduced two new MR items.

LordGeovanniMay 9, 20171 votes

To ranged carries but not fighters and tanks who share defensive items and they got nerfed AGAIN

AnonagonMay 9, 20171 votes

the mr per level buff doesn't even come close to replacing Aegis aura, especially since half the roster didn't get the buff

Warlord ScrapMay 9, 20171 votes

I mean ttk has significantly went down across the board to make lcs more interesting. But the biggest complain for ap i see is it used to have a pretty standard 2:1 ratio with ad. But everyone seems to forget at the same time riot made ap deal damage to towers. I honestly forget which patch it was but it wasnt always like this.

ParoeMay 9, 20171 votes

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I mean ttk has significantly went down across the board to make lcs more interesting. But the biggest complain for ap i see is it used to have a pretty standard 2:1 ratio with ad. But everyone seems to forget at the same time riot made ap deal damage to towers. I honestly forget which patch it was but it wasnt always like this.

AP always increased tower damage actually. The change they ACTUALLY made was that it was specified as magic damage.

Dominick DestineMay 9, 20171 votes

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AP always increased tower damage actually.

No it did not. It was altered to do so, I don't remember when but it was probably an S1-S2 change.

The magic damage change was way later.

MrHaZeYoMay 8, 20173 votes

All AP Items got their AP reduced and cost increased.

ForgiveColourMay 9, 20172 votes

You forgot the next few sentence ill add it for you.

We got compensated with health mana cdr utility and still one shit squishy and chunks the team with just 500 ap.

Vanic998May 8, 20171 votes

I also miss the old mejais. It used to give 180 ap at max stacks. Now it gives only 140 ap at max stacks.

LordGeovanniMay 9, 20171 votes

What happened was 200 less avg ap 30%More avg cdr and 40 less average magic resist on the main people who build it. Lower mage base cooldown more casts more base damage too also no one want to stack item 3003 because it doesnt immediately finish even though i just buying it puts it near 94 ap and you easily get over 140 when its stacked. People also avoid item 3089 like the plague

Who is TaliyahMay 9, 20171 votes

Try my Taliyah build item 3102 item 3111 item 3157 item 3151 item 3110 item 3116 for a grant total of 295 AP + runes, masteries and infernal dragons. You're lucky to hit 350 AP ;)

KaeblenMay 9, 20171 votes

remind me what the higher end of AD builds is right now?

ParoeMay 9, 20171 votes

The only reliable highAP build is item 3027 item 3165 item 3089 item 3135 item 3285 item 3041 You can replace mejais with item 3030 . You also need max AP runes and a pot.