Revive would solve the death timer issue

The Ecdysiast·Feb 19, 2016·2 votes·451 views

But it wasn't used enough back when they were reasonable, so we can't have it now that we need it.

19 Comments

mogonkFeb 19, 20161 votes

If they brought back old Revive nobody would use it even with the current timers.

If they buffed it to the point where people used it, the use of Revive would revolve around cheese suicide strats.

Revive shouldn't be in the game.

The EcdysiastFeb 19, 20161 votes

Please explain how these suicide strats would work. I'm curious as to how feeding will enable people to be overpowered.

Dark NephthysFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Please explain how these suicide strats would work. I'm curious as to how feeding will enable people to be overpowered.

People use to do that with Teleport/Revive Karthus . Start a fight and have Karthus just run into the enemy team and try to deal as much damage and annoy as many people as he can. He'll get focused and killed which puts him in his passive for like 6-7 seconds to deal even more damage, then instantly revive and teleport back into the fight again and clean up.

The Suicide strats basically only works with TP and it makes the team fight a 6v5 instead of a 5v5, and in the case with Karthus it'll be a 6v5 + the use of his Passive 1-2 times (if he died both times).

The EcdysiastFeb 19, 20161 votes

And it worked often enough to make Karthus overpowered? I don't remember that.

maxaroni118Feb 19, 20161 votes

thats cuz who plays karthus

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 19, 20161 votes

You took teleport and revive on someone like Sivir or Olaf and just push all the damn time

As soon as someone left lane, there you were, chipping down their outer turret their inner turret their inhibitor their nexus

Basically, it just made splitpush strats super effective and obnoxious.

The EcdysiastFeb 19, 20161 votes

So... it basically was just like the current waveclear of every champion's possible buildpath, but weaker and requiring specific champions. That would not work now any differently than just building the right way to splitpush does now.

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 19, 20161 votes

Sorry, I didn't explain that very well. If you died a bunch of times (executions, if you were doing it right) without getting a kill, your gold value plummeted all the way down to 15 (this has been changed). All of a sudden, you were a normal split pusher, but collapsing on you was worth essentially nothing. And when they did collapse on you, you'd just instantly revive and teleport to the other side of the map, forcing them to rotate and answer your push while your team takes objectives or advantageous fights in other lanes.

maxaroni118Feb 19, 20162 votes

towers do increasing damage on you and also they have a resist against you so its not rlly ideal as u would need alot of revives and death timers are free and short lower level...

also tp has a fucking long ass cooldown so its not rlly optimal

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 19, 20161 votes

...you didn't DIVE the turrets to take them down, you just pushed the minions to them. You got yourself killed or executed by jungle camps or towers, then just shoved in minion waves and pushed. Teleport's cooldown was significantly lower at the time.

The EcdysiastFeb 19, 20161 votes

Teleport's had the cooldown increased and the reduction removed.

Now, one lost teamfight because a single player was splitting can lose you the game.

There would be no such problems as we saw previously in the current state of the game.

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 19, 20161 votes

If you've lost a teamfight, your whole team is dead; one Revive isn't going to change that. And I wasn't taking a stance on how good or bad Revive was for the game; I was just explaining the concept of a suicide strat.

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

its power that you get in exchange for power that you didnt get in other summoner spells how often to enemies collapse on a spliter and leave an open for you to execute not only did you scare him off of your tower which is worth in itself you caused him to kill him self which can only be due to poorly intitateing on him and you burn 2 summoner enemy summoner spells

MisterHealYoGirlFeb 19, 20161 votes

Again, just responding to the OP's question about what a suicide strat is. I played both with and against it: it worked.

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

it works some times and if you dont defend against it of course its more likely to work

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

once every 5 minutes and not that you cant just stall them push them off the tower or send 1 person to scare them away what you saying is that this person could possibly distract multiple team members and you dont have a plan to deal with the distraction so you dont want to deal with it at all

LordGeovanniFeb 19, 20161 votes

once every 5 mins not that you have wards your own people to teleport or that enmies are 4v5 leaving them at a team fight disadvantage strategy used to be part of the game now its follow the mold of what you should be doing at this time and if the enemy has a slight advantage boo hoo for you cause not like you can use superior strategy to beat superior strength