While I hate all the Deaths Dance posts on the front page right now...

Skorch··2 votes·459 views

I too have an issue with it. But first let me say something.


The "Deaths Dance Patch" Is blown way WAY out of proportion (what isnt?)

I HATE DRAVEN, I HATE HIM SO MUCH. I dont understand how in a game where people hate snowballing, there are a million comments saying "Dont nerf Draven, nerf DD thats where his problems are." When even when Draven ISNT strong, a Draven Brand instantly win the game off 1 kill. But anyway.

Even barring the fact that I hate Draven, this Deaths Dance thing is way out of proportion, 2 to 3 front page posts per day saying "DD is too strong" "Why would ADCs have damage resistance" "Only tanks should have %DM"

Newsflash: DRAVEN IS THE ONLY ADC BUYING DD, THE ONLY ONE. Twitch doesnt build it, Caitlyn doesntr build it, MissFortune who is the 2nd best ADC builds it 8% of the time, thats the 2nd closest to Draven. Lucian Doesnt build it.

Stop acting like its the end of the world because ADCs are buying DD when its just not true.


Ok now onto my actual problem with Deaths Dance, when it first came out I got excited because it was "Heal for Physical damage dealt" instead of lifesteal, I thought it was gonna be a sustain item for AD Casters like Talon that isnt item 3074 which only works so well.

Well I was wrong and it is actually built on tankier "ADCs" like Graves and Urgot and well now Draven .

DD is more of a delayed death giving you a chance to lifesteal back to life, think Purgatory of Death Knights in WoW. This isnt a completely flawed idea, but as of right now, it isnt doing that too well either.

DD inherently isnt insanely broken, its not an insane ADC item, its not 30% damage mitigation monster, its just not. item 3812 Draven is the issue, thats it.

However I definitely want to see this item reworked into a more sustain item for AD casters like I thought it was going to be.

10 Comments

Darkdemon6531 votes

The only problem with DD is that it gives spell vamp AND lifesteal. It should be strictly spell vamp.

Skorch1 votes

Wait no it doesnt its just 15% phys vamp

Darkdemon6531 votes

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Wait no it doesnt its just 15% phys vamp

Everything that applies lifesteal applies DD's passive.

Spârky1 votes

what he is saying is that it isnt spell vamp. Like lucians w for example is magic dmg so therefore it wouldn't heal him. You saying spellvamp means that you heal off of all your spells no matter what kind of dmg they do. were DD only heals you if physical dmg is deal like lucians q or ult.

Ahristocats1 votes

i saw a twitch building it in late game as like a 5th or 6th item

yeah it isn't core on him but it works well i also saw some jhin players buying it

but yeah, draven is the only adc that builds it in 100% of the gmae

Skorch1 votes

I do see it working well on Twitch, however i looked it up and it has a 0.5% buildrate, hence why I said he doesnt build it. All the people I mentioned I looked up.

And Jhin is a ranged AD caster, less so of an ADC, so I do wish it was buitl for people like him as well as Talon.

Spoofghoul1 votes

I think that is because those champions have other priority items they build first

Like item 3153 which is broken atm

And they want item 3031 + item 3085 or something

And by then the game is over because we went past 10 minutes cos rito

So yea it doesn't get abused that much by a lot of adc since they have other core items But it is getting heavily abused by a lot of other champions since they can build it sooner

dolce de leche1 votes

It's Jhin's best lifesteal option. Without too much reliable sefl peel and pretty much zero mobility the burst stoppage is super useful if you need that extra second or two to get your fourth shot off, although he doesn't always gett it, and it isn't core, its the best he has for sustain.

Tormentula1 votes

Draven is a marksmen abuser of the item

But there's other issues with it as well: Fiora Illaoi Riven Yasuo MasterYi Graves

Those are just what I commonly see DD on (at least 3 times on those champions since the buff) but others I've seen DD thrown on but don't know if I could call them broken with it since a, haven't seen it enough and b, it was a niche buy or c, they lost: Camille Darius Jayce JarvanIV RekSai Renekton Rengar Khazix Kled

Rexxiee1 votes

Draven is just overpowered atm, regardless what he builds.

He can go IE into shiv and do 1700 damage autos.

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