How to balance Gnar and Frozen Mallet at the same time

HateDaddy·Aug 22, 2016·29 votes·3,370 views

Reduce the slow for ranged champions from 30% to 20%.

Bam, now it's not a good rush on ranged champions and we don't have to nerf yet another bruiser item because ranged champions abuse them.

60 Comments

specter424Aug 22, 20164 votes

frozen mallet is cancer whether its a gnar or a trashuo, DELETE IT

MagicFlyingLlamaAug 22, 20163 votes

Have you noticed how high-elo players build item 3009 so often?

HateDaddyAug 22, 20169 votes

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Have you noticed how high-elo players build so often?

they really don't anymore actually

FududlesAug 22, 20162 votes

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Have you noticed how high-elo players build so often?

#Yesss ty smart summoners will say the same as this one .... Buy some dam boots of swiftness Who cares if it ruins your "optimal" build... you build for the game not for the champ

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SpoofghoulAug 22, 20164 votes

ok now that 40% slow is a 30% slow

or the 30% slow is now a 22,5% slow

so genius its totally bearable now and i can deafeat a 1000 gnars with it

FududlesAug 22, 20161 votes

Sounds like a personal problem

get gud

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SpoofghoulAug 22, 20161 votes

nah i dont need to get gut thats for tryhards

anway was just pointing out the obvious namely less aids = still aids

although i dont want the item nerfed because then what do i build on sion

FududlesAug 22, 20161 votes

You want a good item 4 sion

#youmuu's ghostblade why ... after you die you can pop youmuus after death sure you dont get more attack speed but youll shred them with armor pen

Troll for TrumpAug 23, 20161 votes

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FududlesAug 23, 20161 votes

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... and you be moving way faster

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Count ZubatAug 23, 20161 votes

Doesn't matter because you'll probably die last in teamfight (cause you're tank) and enemy tanks won't fuck around with you and just use CC and see your corpses decay by themselves.

SpoofghoulAug 23, 20161 votes

I already do this sometimes but ofc i grab frozen mallet in addition to that

ErockandrollAug 22, 20161 votes

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frozen mallet is cancer whether its a gnar or a trashuo, DELETE IT

honestly, I recalled their being rumors about it getting removed a long ass time ago. At that time, nobody built it, because it had an obtuse build path that no one liked. And riot didn't want to change it, because they thought the item was unhealthy. (But they changed it anyway, later on)

And for a frame of reference, Those rumors popped up, But instead of Frozen Mallet, DFG got removed instead.

HateDaddyAug 22, 20163 votes

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honestly, I recalled their being rumors about it getting removed a long ass time ago. At that time, nobody built it, because it had an obtuse build path that no one liked. And riot didn't want to change it, because they thought the item was unhealthy. (But they changed it anyway, later on)

And for a frame of reference, Those rumors popped up, But instead of Frozen Mallet, DFG got removed instead.

It's hard to argue that both Rylais and Frozen Mallet are healthy gameplay items. They double dip into stats and have passives that make dealing with anyone who rushes it impossible to deal with in 1v1 situations.

In a perfect world, I'd prefer to see them become actives where they grant decaying slows for like 8-10 seconds.

FududlesAug 22, 20162 votes

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It's hard to argue that both Rylais and Frozen Mallet are healthy gameplay items. They double dip into stats and have passives that make dealing with anyone who rushes it impossible to deal with in 1v1 situations.

In a perfect world, I'd prefer to see them become actives where they grant decaying slows for like 8-10 seconds.

Those are must have items in the game Your get rid of those you would ruin the game, some champs need that slow to catch someone out for there team or there basicly useless Example taliyah.... i build both those on taliyah (dependimg on the game)

Yes i will build frozen mallet on taliyah

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It's hard to argue that both Rylais and Frozen Mallet are healthy gameplay items. They double dip into stats and have passives that make dealing with anyone who rushes it impossible to deal with in 1v1 situations.

In a perfect world, I'd prefer to see them become actives where they grant decaying slows for like 8-10 seconds.

Its a good thing its not a 1v1 game then ... right ...

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HateDaddyAug 22, 20161 votes

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Those are must have items in the game Your get rid of those you would ruin the game, some champs need that slow to catch someone out for there team or there basicly useless Example taliyah.... i build both those on taliyah (dependimg on the game)

Yes i will build frozen mallet on taliyah

There's far more cases of abuse than there are cases of it being a necessity for champions to have. I don't think slow items are bad innately, but just having it passively there is bad gameplay imo. I'd prefer an active on them so there's downtime and reasonable ability to fight back.

Its a good thing its not a 1v1 game then ... right ...

In many cases in a long lane like top lane, it is.

FududlesAug 22, 20161 votes

If you see them going for it a counter is build it yourself

Hope it helps #xD

HateDaddyAug 22, 20162 votes

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If you see them going for it a counter is build it yourself

Hope it helps #xD

Assuming you're in a position where a rylais/FM rush shits on you, counter building went out the window awhile ago.

EvewynnAug 23, 20161 votes

At least with rylais it's gated by cool down of spells (some champs like Karthus can bypass this, but applies to most) and most mages are unable to deal very much damage if they build almost all tank items like most FM abusers. FM is also much more reliable, creating totally binary situations where you pretty much either win the fight or die.

WonderlandsAug 22, 20162 votes

Teemo item 3022 = item 3070 item 3151

HateDaddyAug 22, 201627 votes

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nothing of value was lost on this day

Guyy FieriAug 22, 20162 votes

As a Gnar main who almost always rushes Mallet, this seems fair actually. It can still give Gnar the kitabity he needs in mini form but can allow for there to be some room for error outside of the enemy just flashing away.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 22, 20162 votes

Frozen Mallet is fine tbh.

If you stopped picking really undertuned immobile champions into Gnar + taking Teleport into him + taking crap keystones into him, you'd actually fucking wreck him.

But why try to over come obstacles when you can just cry nerf Z x3.

HateDaddyAug 22, 20162 votes

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Frozen Mallet is fine tbh.

If you stopped picking really undertuned immobile champions into Gnar + taking Teleport into him + taking crap keystones into him, you'd actually fucking wreck him.

But why try to over come obstacles when you can just cry nerf Z x3.

huh lol

I'm not bitching about gnar but it's not like Gnar abusing FM's slow is something new

CaptnJakSparrowAug 22, 20161 votes

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huh lol

I'm not bitching about gnar but it's not like Gnar abusing FM's slow is something new

You mention them combined specifically to be nerfed, when in reality, it's just the refusal to adapt to the situation that this entire thing is effective at all.

summoner 6 summoner 3 With stormraiders absolutely destroys Gnar. It's not even fair what you can do to him with this set up.

It's like Garens that complain when they can't just auto win by running at people and pressing E just so they can all chat BM you, and when it doesn't work they instatilt + rage at their team all game.

MY extremely binary champion can't beat these ranged champs that use frozen mallet ((fixd)) to keep my hilariously over tuned ability with 0 cost at bay. QQ Rito plz nerf!

HateDaddyAug 22, 20162 votes

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You mention them combined specifically to be nerfed, when in reality, it's just the refusal to adapt to the situation that this entire thing is effective at all.

With stormraiders absolutely destroys Gnar. It's not even fair what you can do to him with this set up.

It's like Garens that complain when they can't just auto win by running at people and pressing E just so they can all chat BM you, and when it doesn't work they instatilt + rage at their team all game.

MY extremely binary champion can't beat these ranged champs that use frozen heart to keep my hilariously over tuned ability with 0 cost at bay. QQ Rito plz nerf!

What the fuck lmao

Ok let me know how your Stormraiders surge goes against the gnar that builds FM/BC/Tank. When an item like FM is being used more or consistently as often on ranged champions as melee champions, I think that's a cause for concern.

I personally don't have any issues with Gnar, I play champs that beat him pretty easily. But that doesn't mean there isn't an abusive interaction with items and in this case, ranged champions abusing slows on rylais/FM. And please don't pretend rylais isn't being built in every single game right now.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 22, 20161 votes

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What the fuck lmao

Ok let me know how your Stormraiders surge goes against the gnar that builds FM/BC/Tank. When an item like FM is being used more or consistently as often on ranged champions as melee champions, I think that's a cause for concern.

I personally don't have any issues with Gnar, I play champs that beat him pretty easily. But that doesn't mean there isn't an abusive interaction with items and in this case, ranged champions abusing slows on rylais/FM. And please don't pretend rylais isn't being built in every single game right now.

It's actually not hard at all. It's actually really easy to pop someone for 30% of their maximum life.

In fact the reason this is the most common set up with Darius that I see right now is because of just how easy it is to counter dumb shit like Gnar . That Gnar can have item 3009 item 3143 item 3071 item 3022 And Darius with that mastery set up + summoners will destroy him.

In fact, with this particular set up, it's really not hard at all to all in Gnar in the early stages of the game and set up a snowball so destructive that he'll be 0/9/0 in 12 minutes.

Because Ghost with a particular mastery set up has a CD so low that it's absolutely abuseable.
Exhaust is up before teleport, lowers armor, allows for 2v1s, slows attack speed and movement speed, so if used when Gnar jumps, ever, he's completely fucked.

Teleport is actually a very shitty summoner spell to use in anything not challenger anymore. It's also why you're seeing a lot of ignite/exhaust lane Yasuo players just because of how abusing this strategy is on 99% of the top lane players.

Champions this strategy works with.

Yasuo Fiora Darius Tryndamere Garen Hecarim Jax Kayle Irelia DrMundo Mordekaiser Renekton Rengar MasterYi Olaf Volibear Trundle Shyvana This is what I usually see run a set up like this.

Some even opt to just straight up go summoner 4 summoner 6 You'll see this on Vladimir Swain Renekton usually.

And why are you mentioning Rylais? This is not about Rylais. This is about Frozen Mallet and Gnar.

OH yeah, I forgot, the whole.

"How do you even reach the impossible Gnar."

It's simple, you dodge the Q. There's really nothing stopping you from popping ghost to juke it and then run at him, and then if he jumps you just exhaust him. Right there you can burst him down which pops Stormraiders and then pretty much can't be stopped.

Rylais idek. I'm an adc and a jungler, and the only time Rylais has really made me cry is when shit like Viktor presses R over me. I usually try to end the game before they even buy that item tbh. So far I'm pretty successful at it.

HateDaddyAug 23, 20161 votes

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It's actually not hard at all. It's actually really easy to pop someone for 30% of their maximum life.

In fact the reason this is the most common set up with that I see right now is because of just how easy it is to counter dumb shit like . That Gnar can have And Darius with that mastery set up + summoners will destroy him.

In fact, with this particular set up, it's really not hard at all to all in Gnar in the early stages of the game and set up a snowball so destructive that he'll be 0/9/0 in 12 minutes.

Because Ghost with a particular mastery set up has a CD so low that it's absolutely abuseable.

Exhaust is up before teleport, lowers armor, allows for 2v1s, slows attack speed and movement speed, so if used when Gnar jumps, ever, he's completely fucked.

Teleport is actually a very shitty summoner spell to use in anything not challenger anymore. It's also why you're seeing a lot of ignite/exhaust lane players just because of how abusing this strategy is on 99% of the top lane players.

Champions this strategy works with.

This is what I usually see run a set up like this.

Some even opt to just straight up go You'll see this on usually.

And why are you mentioning Rylais? This is not about Rylais. This is about Frozen Mallet and Gnar.

OH yeah, I forgot, the whole.

"How do you even reach the impossible Gnar."

It's simple, you dodge the Q. There's really nothing stopping you from popping ghost to juke it and then run at him, and then if he jumps you just exhaust him. Right there you can burst him down which pops Stormraiders and then pretty much can't be stopped.

Rylais idek. I'm an adc and a jungler, and the only time Rylais has really made me cry is when shit like presses R over me. I usually try to end the game before they even buy that item tbh. So far I'm pretty successful at it.

It's annoying as shit on like every meta Mage atm

CaptnJakSparrowAug 23, 20161 votes

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It's annoying as shit on like every meta Mage atm

I'd rather them item 3152 remove that instead tbh.

HateDaddyAug 23, 20161 votes

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I'd rather them remove that instead tbh.

yes it's cancer as well

CeexSettAug 23, 20161 votes

That item is so weak unless you are Diana or Fizz what the hell.

The build path is not optimal, the active is hard to land fully, it's a very low range slow dash that stops you from using any ability while you are dashing, so it sucks at escapes as well. It's just a snowball item unless you are those 2 champions up there.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 23, 20161 votes

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That item is so weak unless you are or what the hell.

The build path is not optimal, the active is hard to land fully, it's a very low range slow dash that stops you from using any ability while you are dashing, so it sucks at escapes as well. It's just a snowball item unless you are those 2 champions up there.

Annie Ekko

CeexSettAug 23, 20161 votes

Ekko isn't building it, even though it works, and Annie has no need for it, it's just a luxury item.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 23, 20161 votes

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Ekko isn't building it, even though it works, and Annie has no need for it, it's just a luxury item.

It procs Rylais and puts you in just enough range to ult. In Ekko's case it puts you in just enough range to press E.

Doesn't matter if it's a luxury item lol. It does its job well enough that if you're winning a lane, you win lane even harder if you decide to go the item 3027 item 3116 item 3152 item 3020 item 3089 item 3135 path.

CeexSettAug 23, 20161 votes

Exactly, it's a snowball item. You only build it if you are ahead. And not even in every champion. Hardly removing candidate.

KoggyStyleAug 23, 20161 votes

you i like you. alabiet gnar can run ghost exuast himself... but thats gunna fly right through the ears of his playerbase for the most part(including me) have a good one.

KoggyStyleAug 23, 20161 votes

FM has already been nerfed for ranged... Adapt. i dont even build FM/BC. tri is enough.

SchàdenfreudeAug 23, 20161 votes

And why would you want to take those summoners in top lane? You're so far from dragon, that I think you would definately want teleport. What about the rest of their team? Using your logic, I can say that you need flash to adapt to dodging skillshots from, say, Ezreal.

CaptnJakSparrowAug 23, 20161 votes

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And why would you want to take those summoners in top lane? You're so far from dragon, that I think you would definately want teleport. What about the rest of their team? Using your logic, I can say that you need flash to adapt to dodging skillshots from, say, Ezreal.

Yeah man, use that 5 second channel teleport that you're going to be cancelling anyways since your team died waiting on you =3.

The only champs that really benefit from teleport are Shen Gangplank And uh, yeah that's about it.

Why use flash to dodge a skillshot when I'm a very powerful and abusive top laner that can just run at idiotic top laners and kill them since anyone not rank 1 challenger in NA is trash at top, and even then they're still trash?

summoner 3 Why not use this? This lets me 2v1 super easily on most abusive champs. Hell, if I'm fed I can 4v1 thanks to exhaust. If the super fed mid laner runs up I can just press exhaust on him and go back to shitting on the jungler/top/support/ then kill the mid that's yelling in all chat to report his noob team.

I think people have spent so long circle jerking summoner 4 summoner 12 as the must have summoner set up that they actually forgot other shit exists, and is arguably more powerful in the current meta, especially in NA where everyone plays champs they're mechanically terrible at and don't even know how to trade with. If they fuck up even once to a laner with exhaust they die. And the beauty about it is, exhaust is going to be right back up just before your ulti anyways. So you'll probably kill him yet again. And again. And again. And again. And again. This is what makes Yasuo really cancerous to fight since a lot of them take exhaust now, which makes any chance of fighting him impossible if he ever gets a lead, or scales up.

KoggyStyleAug 23, 20161 votes

so you dont feed....

PermabannedGarenAug 22, 20162 votes

So like, is Gnar a problem right now or something?

Because Gnar is my single most hated top laner in the game, but if he's an issue right now I had no idea.

Is he used too much in the LCS? Fuck the LCS. I don't care what some basement-dwelling neckbeards are playing for the entertainment of other basement dwelling neckbeards.

HateDaddyAug 22, 20162 votes

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So like, is Gnar a problem right now or something?

Because Gnar is my single most hated top laner in the game, but if he's an issue right now I had no idea.

Is he used too much in the LCS? Fuck the LCS. I don't care what some basement-dwelling neckbeards are playing for the entertainment of other basement dwelling neckbeards.

He's being used as a counter pick to GP

I don't think he's a problem personally. I hate laning against him but his design is fine imo

KoggyStyleAug 23, 20161 votes

peeps dont respect him.... i wont even bully em unless they start shit, but theyll eat thunderlords w when they do.

nice tableAug 23, 20162 votes

make ghostblade, black cleaver and frozen mallet melee only. there you go items are balanced now.

Cookimonster316Aug 23, 20162 votes

Jayce Uses ghostblade and black cleaver so how would they work with it

ThePikolAug 23, 20161 votes

Jayce can use bot malee and ranged only items. Like Hydras and Huricane.

redfeenixAug 22, 20161 votes

Too late gnar's about to get nerfed to the fucking ground along with all the other meta lcs picks like reksai, gragas ash jinx and sivir.

Thats too much a sensible and safe nerf, and just not riots style. Notice how they always buff champions to be OP, and nerf champs to become UP, rather than trying to get everything balanced?

So yeh. say bye to all those champs.

jama655Aug 23, 20161 votes

but......hes melee...i swear....