@Meddler, do you think Black Cleaver and LW items being so prominent affects tank balance?

FalconPawwwwnch·Jan 25, 2017·3 votes·695 views

Black Cleaver and LW items are bought every single game, meaning tanks would get melted instantly by anybody building them

Because of this their items and base stats are jacked up so high to compensate, but this means that champions without innate pen/those items simply has no real way to fight a tank anymore. Even historically late game champs like Jax and Tryndamere can't really fight late game tanks anymore, only way tryndamere can is if he guess what, buys black cleaver/LW item

It's why Fiora is the only real carry top laner being played now, because she has absurd tank busted potential. Jayce is mostly played because of his absurd laning phase, not his late game

Wanted to see your thoughts

6 Comments

Big LincolnJan 25, 20174 votes

me too

anti armor/tank stuff is too common so champs without either usually end up sucking

RexSaurJan 28, 20172 votes

Actually its the other way around, armor is so overpowered they had to make stuff like BC ridiculous (so bruisers can play the game against tanks/something to match the sunfire tabi rush) and buff LDR over and over (so adcs can play the game and not just get smashed by tanks even late game).

Back in what season 4 or was it 5? When BC costed 3500 gold and LW was the weakest it ever was, you could literally play nothing but sunfire tanks (the whole cinderhulk tanks in the jungle + shyvana/mundo/whatever with sunfire top)

Yes if they actually made stuff like tabi, sunfire and etc less ridiculous and cheap then BC and LW wouldnt need to be so powerful, also some tank kits like maokai and poppy are completely jacked up, trinity is also pretty overtuned once they added 20% cdr on it (so champs like jax/irelia can exist and be played against them) but its not very good against tanks and gets outscaled.

paperbIadeJan 26, 20171 votes

no void staff?

AkhriPastaJan 28, 20171 votes

should buff the Last Whisper/lw items to 40% total Pen

RebonackJan 28, 20171 votes

Before last pre-season, I was in favor of just axing %Pen/shred on items completely and then adjusting the value of armor/MR accordingly. It's just as true as it has always been. If you don't have %Pen, Tanks are immortal. If you do have it, they're soft enough that it feels really bad for the Tank player.

%Pen/%Shred should be something only accessible through a champion's kit. If you need to tank-bust, you should be picking a champion with that niche.

RexSaurJan 28, 20171 votes

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Before last pre-season, I was in favor of just axing %Pen/shred on items completely and then adjusting the value of armor/MR accordingly. It's just as true as it has always been. If you don't have %Pen, Tanks are immortal. If you do have it, they're soft enough that it feels really bad for the Tank player.

%Pen/%Shred should be something only accessible through a champion's kit. If you need to tank-bust, you should be picking a champion with that niche.

That would be terrible.

All they need to do is bring back old LW, it was less destroyful against full tanks late game but was a much better item overall and it also allowed adcs to buy it earlier to deal with early armor, basically it would solve the problems atleast from the adc side.

Its fine for items like Void staff and LW to exist because damage is supposed to outscale defense (because defense is a lot cheaper than offense).

For champs not absolutely need pen to deal with tanks late game, thats easy its just nerfing down armor items slot efficiency/stats, so they are still strong ish early game but actually fall off to a damage dealer, even if they arent building LW if they have mixed dmg on the kit.

And yeah no more 30% armor/mr steroids + % health on tank kits, specially on the same fucking one.