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@Riot: Any more details about Cassiopeia?

Quepha··19 votes·1,189 views

http://i.imgur.com/z1kqQgq.jpg Recently there was a tiny comment from a Red that mentioned Riot wanted to look into her sometime next year, and that was THE BIGGEST PIECE OF NEWS WE'VE HAD FOR CASSIOPEIA IN EIGHT LONG MONTHS.

Can anyone at Riot comment on what was meant by this? What are or aren't you happy with? her gameplay? her itemization? her model? her splash art?

Perhaps you could comment on the years without skins? Her play patterns? Her power curve? Her niches? The massive amount of hatred she's received since her rework? Her almost universally hated passive? The way her rework was handled with zero respect for the people providing feedback and huge gaps in communication from Reds? How it felt rushed out for the Shurima event like Reds have admitted Azir's release was rushed?

Not long ago there was also a large post made about the Fiora rework and how it was received from both a gameplay and an art standpoint. The Cassiopeia rework is older than Fiora's and also generated quite a bit of buzz, it seems that would be worthy of its own post or even ANYTHING AT ALL.

17 Comments

Spoofghoul6 votes

What is a cassiopeia?

We talking about a starsystem?

last i checked this was league boards not star citizen forum . .

Canastus5 votes

Her current lore only consists of 3-4 lines of text, that's it. They've ditched her completely after the failed rework, even storywise she remains a flat and two-dimensional character - just like the binary mess of a champion we've been graced with.

Also new skin when? It's been three years since the last one (Jade Fang Cass). She's on her best way to become the next Yorick if this keeps up, she's already on the same level with Urgot.

Dominick Destine5 votes

Riot hates Lamia-kin.

Pls, think of the Lamia ! THINK OF THE LAMIA

Maximum Morde3 votes

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Riot hates Lamia-kin.

Pls, think of the Lamia ! THINK OF THE LAMIA

I always think of the labia.

Darthkor2 votes

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Quepha1 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSKrC7dGcY

not available in my country...

Saianna1 votes

Title of song explains it all :P

Darthkor1 votes

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not available in my country...

enjoy the silence depech mode

Maple Crusader1 votes

And we still wait

Leu071 votes

They said they were thinking about a small buff early in the year and then a middle-length rework by the middle of the year, I actually would like the small buff and I coud absolutley wait until the end of the year if they deliver a full rework on her (maybe no new splash art of course..) But I think Cassi needs to be rethought, replanned and it probably is better that when they start working on her, they take their time to secure they'll deliver a good project. That way the fiasco her rework was won't be repeated. Really, they need to focus on her deeply if they are going to change her. Just so we can all rest assure she is going to be fun, viable and cool.

Quepha1 votes

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we can all rest assure

To be blunt, I no longer trust Riot to do anything right without getting a lot of player feedback. Somehow they thought Fiora's model and splash needed to be redone and OK'd that ugly horse face. Just imagine all the man hours wasted to fix something that wasn't broken, and how many more they plan to spend to fix what they have now broken.

Fiora's kit update was cool and definitely needed, but what would possess them to think her face needed to change?

CoTheSlow1 votes

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To be blunt, I no longer trust Riot to do anything right without getting a lot of player feedback. Somehow they thought Fiora's model and splash needed to be redone and OK'd that ugly horse face. Just imagine all the man hours wasted to fix something that wasn't broken, and how many more they plan to spend to fix what they have now broken.

Fiora's kit update was cool and definitely needed, but what would possess them to think her face needed to change?

The reasoning behind the changes to Fiora's design I feel were valid enough. She wasn't reading what she was supposed to. She was supposed to be super hate-able and arrogant. If league was a movie she would be a villain for sure. Her design didn't read that and just kind of read Pretty lady with a sword. Unfortunately for riot people liked pretty lady with a sword better. I appreciate riots attempt to try and make her appearance line up more with her character. Did they do it perfectly? No not really but Fiora seems like such a fractured character to me now. She doesn't truly deliver on any theme now because of them coming half way. Honestly I kind of want them to split her into two, one of them being arrogant, snobby Fencer lady and the other being pretty but deadly princess of the sword kind of person.

Quepha1 votes

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She was supposed to be super hate-able and arrogant. If league was a movie she would be a villain for sure.

Then she should have been from Noxus instead Demacia and her lore should have been about arrogance and skill instead of defying arranged marriages and earning back her family's honor. The art team seemed to be on a completely different page from lore and the players.

But more importantly, that isn't what she means to people who actually play Fiora and all Riot had to do was show the sketches to a single player and they'd get all the feedback they need, "That doesn't look like Fiora." And they could have saved a ton of time, money, and effort.

CoTheSlow2 votes

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Then she should have been from Noxus instead Demacia and her lore should have been about arrogance and skill instead of defying arranged marriages and earning back her family's honor. The art team seemed to be on a completely different page from lore and the players.

But more importantly, that isn't what she means to people who actually play Fiora and all Riot had to do was show the sketches to a single player and they'd get all the feedback they need, "That doesn't look like Fiora." And they could have saved a ton of time, money, and effort.

eh they have kind of hinted that there may be more than meets the eye to Demacia and Fiora has always been presented as that character who is at least perceived to everyone else to be kind of what I said. The rework I feel did a lot to make her more sympathetic lore wise (which I personally wasn't a fan of for what I thought Fiora was, even though it is fine). Whereas her old lore I feel tried to read more egotistical. "Fiora's ego would be insufferable if it wasn't so... justified." I also feel they changed the lore so she would be more likable, because you know. People have to want to play her. She can't just be an Ultra diva.

I never said riot handled it right, just that I appreciated the thought on why they wanted to change it. I appreciated that they wanted her design to match her character, it was just the wrong character. Had they shown sketches to the community I think we would have been able to find a happy medium and if not that then it would be no worse than what we currently have or scrapped it all together and given her a texture rebalance. To me it just feels kind of like Cass. Riot wants her to be one thing but the community doesn't so we get a kind of half and half mess that doesn't really make anyone super happy. I liked the idea but the execution was flawed. They have apparently learned from it so we shall see what they do.

Quepha2 votes

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They have apparently learned from it so we shall see what they do.

Saying they learned from it does not mean they actually learned from it. They said they learned from Cassiopeia and that was over a year ago.

CoTheSlow2 votes

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Saying they learned from it does not mean they actually learned from it. They said they learned from Cassiopeia and that was over a year ago.

While the Cass, Fiora and even Morde issues come down to the same point (The community and Riot have different ideas on their identity) I think Riot is starting to get the hang of things again. The ADC rework didn't have too many casualty's, and gave some cool new kit designs that fit the characters. I just think that the community and riot just sometimes have different perceptions on what a character should be and sometimes the community view changes over time (Cass as a poison mage over E spam, and pretty Fiora over pretentious) riot's view of the character doesn't and so we get lost in translation a little. Judging by the backlash all these projects got I don't think Riot is looking to make anymore mistakes like this again. They have even been a little better in dealing with the Morde fallout than with Cass.

CoTheSlow1 votes

Is it possible she is a contender to get one of the 'immobile mage' reworks? I think the timing could line up for it but I am not sure how much they will change. They may decide she needs a full kit rework because what she has now and what she had before were too difficult for them to balance which I would think puts her out of the running for a combined type of rework (ADCs/Juggernauts.)

I could totally see them reworking both Morde and Cass at the same time and releasing them together with a big I'm sorry message stuck to the front.

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