"Meaningful counterplay"

Niyumi·Mar 26, 2017·3 votes·914 views

... that's when ADCs literally right click and go AFK and automatically win. They have no telegraphs, no cooldowns, no aiming, they can't miss, no drawbacks, passive sustain (turning them into literal gods -- yet we nerfed other champs for their sustain + damage mix), no resource, nothing. The literal easiest class in the entire fucking game, yet also the strongest by far, mandatory in every game.

Doesn't matter how much armor you build, or if your kit has a 50% natural DR that can't be reduced by bullshit armor pen... you still instantly die, because that's only fair! ADCs are just SO HARD that only a god can play them -- I can see why they're allowed to be so broken yet be called weak.

But hey, remember, we put quality before money. Yeah. Not like ADCs are the most profitable class in the game or anything, oh heavens no!

30 Comments

PermabannedGarenMar 26, 20174 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2459875214/228953398?tab=overview

Why do you insist on building nearly zero relevant defense against an ADC and then shit your pants when the ADC kills you?

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

150 armor, 40% flat DR from my W. I'm taking VERY little damage. But the rest of my team is literally one shot, and then my W runs out and I start taking autos for 800 damage because "ADCs are weak." Doesn't matter that I ult my teammate in the middle of their team, blow my entire fucking combo (which does upwards of 2000 damage) on Jinx, and nearly kill her, oh no, because lifesteal is SUPER FUCKING HEALTHY (while spellvamp was just god awful toxic), and Jinx heals from 200 to full in half a second.

But, uh, you know, ADC2k17. Pathetic class, can't do anything.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 26, 20172 votes

But, uh, you know, ADC2k17. Pathetic class, can't do anything.

Assassins like Rengar usually make short work of ADCs.

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

Mhm, unless the ADC has mountains of CC and self-peel, and a support glued to their side, that make Rengar entirely irrelevant unless he's massively fed and quite literally one shots them.

But, uh, you know, that's counterplay. Literally one shot an ADC, CC them until they die, or automatically lose. I love those options!

TyrekGoldenspearMar 26, 20171 votes

Mhmm, I do love me some blown up ADC.

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

Oh, nothing to say? Darn. And here I was hoping you'd try to defend Riot's greed and say ADCs are actually super weak and pathetic right now.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 26, 20171 votes

They are if the game's short. If you let it go on too long the marksmen will get stronk. It's how they are designed.

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

If by short you mean 5-10 minutes, sure.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 26, 20171 votes

That is an exaggeration and you know it. Unless of course their enemies are dumb and feed them.

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

Like I was saying above, buy a Zeal and a BF Sword on like 99% of ADCs, and you win. Exceptions being Kalista, Koggy and Ez.

PsybicilinMar 26, 20173 votes

ADC needs items though, often times the game is over before they have an impact on the game. The best an ADC can do is try to CS better and win lane, but if an enemy bruiser/assassin wins lane and an ADC wins lane equally, guess who's gonna get fucked. Yep the ADC, unless they get to three items. (Draven is probably the exception, where his power is early game.)

NiyumiMar 26, 20172 votes

Step 1: Farm 100 CS.

Step 2: Buy BF sword + Zeal

Step 3: Carry game.

You act like ADCs do literally nothing until late game, which is ABSOLUTELY not true. Then we have very fun and fair champions like Vayne, Draven, Kalista and the like that don't even need items to be bullshit.

And, uh, bruisers don't win in a game where ADCs sustain five times harder than you hurt them.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 26, 20171 votes

Then we have very fun and fair champions like Vayne, Draven, Kalista

Um. Is this the sarcasm part you mentioned?

AlienPrimateMar 26, 20172 votes

I disagree with them being easy. I can't play ADC at all so I have entirely given up on playing it. Looking through my match history, the last game I ever played as an ADC outside of ARAM/one for all/nemesis draft was 11/15/2014. Playing ADC would be easy if people just sat there and let you shoot them but people don't do that. The ADC is always the focus and staying alive is hard.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 26, 20171 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/vmLa1IhJ-im-just-done

This is one useless thread you made. Didn't you said you're gonna give up & leave?

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

Now, where in there did I say I was talking about League? Hmm...

BeatzBoyFTWMar 26, 20171 votes

If it weren't, might as well do it in your own Twitter or Facebook account.

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

I mean, I gave up on League a long time ago. But I still have nothing better to do, so I'm kind of stuck.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 26, 20171 votes

You can always catch a break from League by playing other games like Overwatch, or watch some good shows like Rick & Morty (season 3 where....).

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

I do play Overwatch every now and then, but that game is more tilting than League. xD

I play WoW, but it gets boring pretty quickly. I have a Switch and the new Zelda, but I don't want to burn out on it, so I pace myself. :P

As for shows, I don't really like most newer shows (I hate Rick and Morty, for example xD), and I've read just about any book I can find that I have any interest in.

But, I do want to learn to draw on my tablet, and I want to try my hand at composing and writing, so maybe I could work at that more. Only problem is I'm such a perfectionist I can't get anything done (constantly restart), and I talk myself down until I give up.

MXXXXXLMar 26, 20171 votes

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no drawbacks,

Bullshit.

NiyumiMar 26, 20171 votes

Okay, tell me what drawback they have in their playstyle or kit.

MXXXXXLMar 26, 20171 votes

Squishy.

ParoeMar 26, 20171 votes

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Squishy.

Most ADCs actually have the same base health as fighters. 1700~1900. There really is no downside to being a marksman; you have the single best itemization in the game, the single best ability in the game, and all you have to do is position.

GULAG 4 UMar 26, 20172 votes

Eh no? Base health means nothing without resistances. You get blown up with only 2k hp, 30 mr (because ads have no scaling MR) and ~70 armor.

MXXXXXLMar 27, 20171 votes

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Most ADCs actually have the same base health as fighters. 1700~1900. There really is no downside to being a marksman; you have the single best itemization in the game

A fighter's itemization includes way better defensive options then ADCs, a fighter will have better defensive stats then an ADC.

ADCs also suffer from being late game focused champions, which is bad in this current meta, since games end so quickly.

the single best ability in the game

What do you mean by that?

and all you have to do is position.

That itself is another big downside.

llIllIllIllIllMar 26, 20171 votes

ADC takes a ton of mechanical skill to play and die immediately when caught/gripped/etc, meanwhile tanks just build defense and walk through your team

Champion guides by Challenger Players

ParoeMar 26, 20171 votes

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ADC takes a ton of mechanical skill to play and die immediately when caught/gripped/etc, meanwhile tanks just build defense and walk through your team

Champion guides by Challenger Players

Hah. Haha. No thats not true. At all. ADC takes positioning. You can literally rely on your team to do EVERYTHING else and all you have to do is position and right click at the right times.

Your definition of "tank" is also lee sin with item 1408 item 3071 item 3748 . Thats not a tank columbo; thats a bruiser.