Zed IS to strong

Guy Fox Teemo·Mar 22, 2016·2 votes·1,101 views

But he's not some godly Freelo champion , that destroys everyone and is uncounterable. Like everyone in this board claims

It bugs me how much people skew everything, because they only see the players perspective.

Zed has counters, he has A LOT of them, more then you think, BUT currently his early game pushing power and strong laning phase due to Yomuus and Maw pushed him over the edge. (Not Duskblade, Duskblade is to situational and unreliable to ever be very good)

Yomuus and Maw just gave him so much power early due to the nature of there build path of each of the items. (Flat Armor pen and CDR + the Extra safety from AP and more AD)

Yes he deserves nerfs, yes he's strong, but hes not as bullshit as you think. Just items that pushed him over the edge, by passing his bad late game to win the game before it even gets to that point.

13 Comments

NahuiMar 22, 20161 votes

Honestly I think the items need nerfs, not him.

magee101Mar 22, 20161 votes

I'm not really sure how you say duskblade isn't the problem. His pushing power has alw ays been good, it's because of his passive. The items themselves are not the problem, it's the champion's kit that is, but there's nothing wrong with that. Zed can be an annoyance but honestly more often than not Zeds are not buying the duskblade and BECAUSE of that, they don't do very well. I've fought many a Zed midlane who still goes yomuu's first, and because of that once I finish my first item I immediately have a stronger level 6 than he does now without that item. Yes, Duskblade has a pretty big cooldown which does make it more situational, but it's passive stats are soooo good for Zed in general that it basically needs him to take it.

Having played Zed, I think the ratios on his q and e need a bit of a tweak, but to be honest in today's meta, let him keep it. Sure, he can blow up a squishy, but have you seen Zed try to fight a tank? It's fucking hilarious and all he can do is run or get blown up. That's the point of assassins, they blow up AD carries, they are the counter pick to an AD carry, because later in the game a decent build path with a mid lane mage can out sustain the sudden burst damage zed does (or you can CC/gtfo when he tries to go in on you)

Guy Fox TeemoMar 22, 20161 votes

I've played Zed over 500 times, duskblade is unreliable and I only ever buy whenever I'm so fed that it I'm just doing it for fun.

Its much to long of the cooldown and if you don't go all in on the proc you wasted it, and now don't have it for another target.

It also adds on to the target of QSS, making Qss for the enemy team even more valuable. (Or Zhonyas)

magee101Mar 22, 20161 votes

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I've played Zed over 500 times, duskblade is unreliable and I only ever buy whenever I'm so fed that it I'm just doing it for fun.

Its much to long of the cooldown and if you don't go all in on the proc you wasted it, and now don't have it for another target.

It also adds on to the target of QSS, making Qss for the enemy team even more valuable. (Or Zhonyas)

So you're one of those guys I rage at who do terribly with Zed because they expect their ultimate to do amazing damage and it does jack shit. If you're NOT all-inning who ever you ult on then that's the real problem, that proc makes SURE they're gonna die like his old ultimate did. Now without this item, I've been able to walk away from Zed ults with still a quarter of my health AFTER eating his full combo and an auto attack. I cannot tell you the number of times I've watched someone go from half health to just straight DEAD with ulti+duskblade explosion. You worried about zhonyas? Bait it, you worried about QSS? Wait until it is blown by another cc, it's called strategy

Guy Fox TeemoMar 23, 20161 votes

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So you're one of those guys I rage at who do terribly with Zed because they expect their ultimate to do amazing damage and it does jack shit. If you're NOT all-inning who ever you ult on then that's the real problem, that proc makes SURE they're gonna die like his old ultimate did. Now without this item, I've been able to walk away from Zed ults with still a quarter of my health AFTER eating his full combo and an auto attack. I cannot tell you the number of times I've watched someone go from half health to just straight DEAD with ulti+duskblade explosion. You worried about zhonyas? Bait it, you worried about QSS? Wait until it is blown by another cc, it's called strategy

No, i'm not one of those "Guys", I'm a Plat V zed main with a 63% win rate, and a average 3.0 KDA.

I know full well how to play Zed, I've been playing him for two years, I know exactly how he works and the most efficient way to play and build him. What assumption do you have that I'm not a good Zed? Thats not even the point of this post, the post is just talking about why he's strong in the current meta (Yomuus and Maw), I made a side comment saying "Not Duskblade" because its not, Duskblade is unreliable with a much to long of a CD to ever be worth buying, it isn't efficient in what it does, and teh build path is bad due to the B.F. Sword. Its fun to use, but there are much more efficient and better builds.

magee101Apr 2, 20161 votes

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No, i'm not one of those "Guys", I'm a Plat V zed main with a 63% win rate, and a average 3.0 KDA.

I know full well how to play Zed, I've been playing him for two years, I know exactly how he works and the most efficient way to play and build him. What assumption do you have that I'm not a good Zed? Thats not even the point of this post, the post is just talking about why he's strong in the current meta (Yomuus and Maw), I made a side comment saying "Not Duskblade" because its not, Duskblade is unreliable with a much to long of a CD to ever be worth buying, it isn't efficient in what it does, and teh build path is bad due to the B.F. Sword. Its fun to use, but there are much more efficient and better builds.

lol I cannot count the number of times I have used Duskblade to kill someone in the middle of their entire team. Ult, auto, do one combo, gtfo. They die because of Duskblade>ult proc every single time. I've seen you non=Duskblade zeds try to do the same thing and never get anything out of it. How is the build path bad because of BF? That's a high ass AD item, which is what is good for zed, sure it's expensive but shit son, everything else is built straight outta long swords for days and days. I went and checked out your profile, you don't have no 63% win rate but you do have an average kda of 3.0 which tbh is kinda terrible, considering I'm in Bronze and my KDA is somewhere around 5. I do hate you folks that got out of bronze way too fucking easy, because you get up there and think you're awesome and think you know everything then spit out garbage like Duskblade is bad on zed lol. Makes me laugh so hard.

Guy Fox TeemoApr 2, 20161 votes

No I have a 62.5% win rate my bad that it changed after a week. And why are you mentioning kda ? 3.0 is far from bad but kda doesn't really matter, I win games with zed because I'm good at him as know how to take my advantage to push for obejectives and win the game, if all I cared about was kda , I could run around stomping people left and right , and not take anything with my lead. And no I didn't get "out" of bronze, I've never been in bronze I got placed in Gold IV for my promos and last year placed in Bronze II, after which I won the series and skippe to silver 1. Either way that's not the point of this convo. Zed with dusk blade is ok, decent 3rd or fourth item, but it's never good to rush unless your extremely fed. (Like 5.0.0 out of lane) If it's cost and build path are to inefficient for the items unreliable damage in it's proc.

magee101Apr 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guy Fox Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=x7GHQea7,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-02T19:04:32.236+0000)

No I have a 62.5% win rate my bad that it changed after a week. And why are you mentioning kda ? 3.0 is far from bad but kda doesn't really matter, I win games with zed because I'm good at him as know how to take my advantage to push for obejectives and win the game, if all I cared about was kda , I could run around stomping people left and right , and not take anything with my lead. And no I didn't get "out" of bronze, I've never been in bronze I got placed in Gold IV for my promos and last year placed in Bronze II, after which I won the series and skippe to silver 1. Either way that's not the point of this convo. Zed with dusk blade is ok, decent 3rd or fourth item, but it's never good to rush unless your extremely fed. (Like 5.0.0 out of lane) If it's cost and build path are to inefficient for the items unreliable damage in it's proc.

The damage isn't unreliable, it's mathematical, thus you can calculate quite easily just by eyeballing the champs health and your combo damage how much damage you need to do before you can just fade away, which is generally not even a full combo if you also ult. I'm not sure how you call it inefficient, it has hella good AD, it has movespeed, it has flat armor pen. I've yet to have a problem on zed rushing duskblade into a death's dance, even if I'm losing in lane as soon as I get the duskblade everything turns right the hell around. To be honest zed is no more stronger than he was last season, except for the thunderlord's, but the items haven't made him any stronger than he was. The only difference now is that he is guaranteed to kill the ADC when he dives in rather than having a high chance but could still be killed before he finishes. Since that's Zed's whole job, I don't see why that makes him TO strong.

Guy Fox TeemoApr 3, 20161 votes

See now thats your opinion now which one is the right opinion (Mine or yours), is up to debate, but the fact that im 3 ranks higher then you, have more games on zed then you, and do much better with him than you.

I think i can say that no, duskblade isn't a "great item" its fun to use and has decent stats, its inefficient because if you aren't uber fed, theres better items with better build paths (Yomuus, Hydra, etc.) And when you are super fed the proc becomes null because you would have killed the person without it.

Sariat1Mar 22, 20161 votes

People don't understand how to play Rammus and Malphite mid is all.

N00B PWN3RMar 22, 20161 votes

Zed is perfectly balanced the way he is now. Just nerf these two items: item 3155 item 3156 .

SwapShadowsMar 23, 20161 votes

Duskblade is a joke on Zed.

Anyone who thinks it's worth getting is an annie main, braindead.

Colgate MinuetteApr 3, 20161 votes

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But he's not some godly Freelo champion , that destroys everyone and is uncounterable. Like everyone in this board claims

I've beaten a Zed as a support build Sona in mid lane... I even had a sightstone and a support item. I was basically a support sent mid lane and I -won lane-

Here's some tips on how to beat zed:

PLAY HIM YOU MORON. If you have not played him he's confusing and disorienting and will slaughter you because you don't know what to expect.

Champs that can be used to beat zed effectively:

Fizz (not always) Lissandra (ult 101 seriously a half-decent lissandra will slaughter him after 6) Kayle (ult 101) Vladimir (pool)

If you want a balanced match against him try: Diana Talon Malzahar

If you want to lose against him play: Azir Lux Orianna (debatable) Katarina