As a Kat main on season 4.... I think she needs mana

DropFill··50 votes·3,318 views

1- She is all point and click.

This may see not very clear to why she should have mana, but is pretty simple : she will not use abilities on you except if it is on CD. But since she can't miss ( maybe her W , but whatever ), she will always damage you except if she needs to push the wave.

2- This would stop her from resetting a lot early game

Katarina only snowballs hard because she can reset a lot early game, especially because she has no mana problems. Not only that, but ganking bot lane and getting 2 assists puts your ult CD in a very low CD, which opens low opportunity for the opponent to actually fight her without it.

3- She would have to choose between pushing the wave and roaming OR poke lane opponent

This is the most important aspect, I think, of giving her mana. If she uses her Q a lot on her opponent, she will be unable to push the wave properly ( and she would go oom, eventually ) assuming, at least, that her opponent position himself not so close to the minion wave ( the same thing you do against Xerath, so he has to choose between trying to Q you or the minion wave)

4- This would decrease her sinergy with tons of magic pen early

Katarina does a lot damage, that is true, especially if she has item 3020 + item 3001 + item 3136 . Since she doesn't have to care about mana regen , she can buy all this items early that gives her a lot of magic pen ( assuming 8 magicpen runes, this build gives her 58 of flat magic pen ). Early-mid game, she deals basically true damage if her target has less than 58 of magic resist, and close to true damage to anything with less than 80 MR.

Things to change incase she doesn't get mana as a resource : Her passive - I think her passive should ONLY gives her resets when SHE kills, not on assists. As her lore say, she kills everything by herself, so changing it would not only fit her thematically, but would make her more balanced. On assists, if you don't want to take it off completely, make it only 50% effective (7.5s CD decrease). I think changing her to kills only reset would make her more balanced. She would probably need buffs after, don't know, but I think it is a good way to start.

I love katarina as a champion, since I started playing this game, but after several nerfs to her counters that made her really bad for a time, she fine made a comeback. Her abilities base damage are really low, with great scaling on her Q ( assuming you proc the mark ) and her R , making her more of a mid-late game threat. I don't want to see her butchered, nor permabanned

60 Comments

mjack3317 votes

Katarina is, like Zed, a case where I am personally of the opinion that people in mid lane just suck at their role. If I can deal with it as a Taric or a Thresh or even as a Jinx, then I fail to see what the problem with the champ is. Instead, I see people play like Headless Chickens and then scream KAT OP. LEARN TO PLAY A REAL CHAMP in chat as if that means anything.

Stark60009 votes

The supports you listed both can disrupt her ultimate and are both tanky. Not all mids can deal with her. All the mids i play can though.

mjack332 votes

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The supports you listed both can disrupt her ultimate and are both tanky. Not all mids can deal with her. All the mids i play can though.

I said Jinx :).

MrBuffington3 votes

Jinx is neither a mid laner nor a support, typically :3

Junkο2 votes

She is still bot lane, and she cannot stop Katarina's ultimate. She also does not have an escape unless she gets a kill, but if she does it would probably be a triple kill bot lane for her even without it anyway

Llanite1 votes

Pic or it didnt happen.

Silver 5 and bronze don't count.

Ayame Isaki2 votes

On Akali, Kat is obnoxious. I have no escape, no CC, and she shreds what little MR I have.

On Lux or Morgana, Kat is more of a kitten. Oh you want to use your claws on me, that's cute, Q.

I don't think Kat needs a nerf unless it is to bring her down to Akali's level. I always thought Kat and Akali were pretty healthy assassins in spite of their binary kits but then Riot ruined Akali's gameplay...

OJ1911 votes

Whether giving her mana is the right solution I could not say, but she needs something to prevent her from being so binary.

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Katarina is, like Zed, a case where I am personally of the opinion that people in mid lane just suck at their role. If I can deal with it as a Taric or a Thresh or even as a Jinx, then I fail to see what the problem with the champ is. Instead, I see people play like Headless Chickens and then scream KAT OP. LEARN TO PLAY A REAL CHAMP in chat as if that means anything.

Taric and Thresh are easy kat counters, though I don't know what the hell skill level kats you are facing if you can beat them as jinx. 1 gank later and you will be feeding every time you come back to lane.

TIL people in mid suck at their role because bot fed their lane

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But you don't need to chain CC at all. You only need any ability that can interrupt a channel and a lot of those abilities are AOE so manage to catch others as well (think Soraka silence or Sona ult). You don't need to deliberately focus Kat, you just need to be hold your CC until she goes in (unless she's clearly not gonna engage until you blow at least something) and distribute what you have more carefully. That's not hard. And yes, CCing Katarina is preferable to CCing their ADC or Irelia because if you cancel Kat's ult then her team fight is over even if she survives the CC duration. The same cannot be said of any ADC or bruiser.

Why isn't CC counter play, by the way? If it's not counter play, what is?

If you think kat's ult is the sole problem, I don't know what to say to you. She has 4 teammates any of whom can force a kill and start the reset chain going, at which point you have to chain-cc her to death within a split second, or die.

And even if you don't take into account/worry about her resets, do you know how much instant CC is left in this game to even stop kat ult in time? Very bloody little.

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As a platinum I Katarina main, I highly disagree.

  • her early game already suffers a lot from terrible wave clear, low base damage, and let's not forget her lack of escape once you've tried to shunpo engage upon someone, especially someone like Diana who has her E to keep you right next to her as she whales on you.

  • she relies on those resets late game to do her job as a janitor effectively

  • If she can't roam effectively early, she can't get fed effectively as her waveclears are absolutely atrocious and the enemy laner can simply shove turret into her face forever, forcing her to miss farm or take damage

Put up or shut up, the account you are posting on has no plat badge, and according to lolking hasn't even completed the 10 provisional games in last season or this season.

And Katarina is to janitors what a nuclear bomb is to a firecracker.

Commando Yi17 votes

i do not agree with the idea of nerfing kat

she doesn't need nerfs

Ravenous Kat2 votes

Agree. I think the problem is that her main counters (LeBlanc, Kassadin and Talon) got their silences removed. The last pack of nerfs were enough to tone her down though.

Jefftiffy13 votes

The thing is you don't realize how she is completely reliant on resets late game. Giving her mana nulls her one strong point in the game. Her post-6. Right before you can itemize against her. But you can deny her that post-6 with smart CC. There is a reason why she is not an LCS champ. She is shut down too easily and her late game is reliant on bad positioning of the enemy team combined with a bad team comp.

  1. Her W is far from point and click and is her main tool for running and relatively small. Her ult is very positioning based and not point and click as well. They may be instant activates, but one is a channel and the other is a self centered AoE with tiny radius.

  2. Her early game is all she has against a normal meta team comp. If you have a non-meta slow and root team comp with no real displacements, stuns, silences, or suppressions that's your fault.

  3. Her poke on lane opponent with Q is abysmal early game. It does a whole 160 at rank 5 if she throws it directly on you unless she follows up. Not to mention it reduces when it bounces and shoves lane.

  4. Reducing anyones ability to cast reduces their synergy with magic pen. Idk what the logic is other than that. Forcing her to get mana will make her more of a monster because she will build mana regen which is often tied to CDR and she will have low costs and a high mana pool if the current trend of mana champs continues. Do you really want Katarina ulting every 20-30s late game? You know how near impossible it would be to catch her? Plus, she would get damage buffs because her no cost is the reason for her low values on everything except ult.

How to counter play Katarina:

  1. item 3001 /item 3155 Damage and MR to fight her

  2. bring CC that stops her ult. Nearly every mid has it, don't blow it for a kill or you will get turned on if she survives or dodges it.

  3. for the love of god call MIAs and remind your team that Katarina roams hard. If they don't listen. You weren't going to win anyways.

  4. Eventually get item 3026 /item 3157 . Both can deny her the resets especially after the nerfs to her passive. And as before, if you get caught and use those and your team isn't close enough to react or didn't try to stop her at all after that then you weren't going to win anyways.

MrPerson1013 votes

As a platinum I Katarina main, I highly disagree.

  • her early game already suffers a lot from terrible wave clear, low base damage, and let's not forget her lack of escape once you've tried to shunpo engage upon someone, especially someone like Diana who has her E to keep you right next to her as she whales on you.

  • she relies on those resets late game to do her job as a janitor effectively

  • If she can't roam effectively early, she can't get fed effectively as her waveclears are absolutely atrocious and the enemy laner can simply shove turret into her face forever, forcing her to miss farm or take damage

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a391 votes

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As a platinum I Katarina main, I highly disagree.

  • her early game already suffers a lot from terrible wave clear, low base damage, and let's not forget her lack of escape once you've tried to shunpo engage upon someone, especially someone like Diana who has her E to keep you right next to her as she whales on you.

  • she relies on those resets late game to do her job as a janitor effectively

  • If she can't roam effectively early, she can't get fed effectively as her waveclears are absolutely atrocious and the enemy laner can simply shove turret into her face forever, forcing her to miss farm or take damage

Do you roam?

MrPerson101 votes

Silly question, of course you roam. Regardless, roaming doesn't guarantee you don't waste your time - you can't know what your bot lane or the enemy bot lane is about to do, making your roam ineffective

Borbland2 votes

Poor waveclear ?

It's not the best, but it's not that bad.

Q helps farming alot, additionnaly with the bonus AA damage to finish them off, and if the enemy is far or not dangerous, Q + E + W to clean anything.

MrPerson105 votes

Have you actually seen her lvl 3 waveclear? It's atrocious her range being melee, and her Q CD is long, too long to be using between harass and waveclear - leaves her open to free harass if she uses Q on a minion wave and approaches the wave. Considering you aren't going to be able to q/w instantly waveclear until you've completed at least the equivalent of rabadon's and sorc boots, I'm not sure where you get the idea that it's not that bad.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

The few time's I've gone mid lane against her, I found her rather easy to harass and/or zone early game.

DropFill1 votes

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As a platinum I Katarina main, I highly disagree.

  • her early game already suffers a lot from terrible wave clear, low base damage, and let's not forget her lack of escape once you've tried to shunpo engage upon someone, especially someone like Diana who has her E to keep you right next to her as she whales on you.

  • she relies on those resets late game to do her job as a janitor effectively

  • If she can't roam effectively early, she can't get fed effectively as her waveclears are absolutely atrocious and the enemy laner can simply shove turret into her face forever, forcing her to miss farm or take damage

I know all this points. But the community itself clearly thinks katarina is OP. I am just trying to give points of what can be done to make her more "healthy", even though I myself think she is fine.

single eboy5 votes

Well, first of all, I main Katarina as well and don't see any point for extra nerfs at the moment. People are too stupid to think of how to exactly make her useless in teamfights or how to counter her in the laning phase. Basically all of her nerfs came out because people can't land a stun or a knock-up when she decides to go in. She was and is a balanced ASSASSIN and isn't the only one in this game who can sh*t on people when fed so please leave her alone for now.

LordDarkshayde4 votes

I agree with this. Kata is a hyper carry champ but if you ward your lanes and pay attention to mia pings she loses alot of her potential to roam and get fed. Also if you hit her with even a little bit of hard cc you can focus her and blow her up instantly. People need to stop qq'ing about OP champs and learn counterplay (this applies to Zed, Lee, all OP champ QQ threads).

DanofDemacia1 votes

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Well, first of all, I main Katarina as well and don't see any point for extra nerfs at the moment. People are too stupid to think of how to exactly make her useless in teamfights or how to counter her in the laning phase. Basically all of her nerfs came out because people can't land a stun or a knock-up when she decides to go in. She was and is a balanced ASSASSIN and isn't the only one in this game who can sh*t on people when fed so please leave her alone for now.

She isn't balanced try again. Certain champions completely shut her down ( lulu and Diana) and some literally have zero options against her (lux). How is a match between lux and Kat fair. Lux has no mobility to get away and no hard cc to stop her from channeling. I understand people have counters hers are just to extreme.

single eboy1 votes

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She isn't balanced try again. Certain champions completely shut her down ( lulu and Diana) and some literally have zero options against her (lux). How is a match between lux and Kat fair. Lux has no mobility to get away and no hard cc to stop her from channeling. I understand people have counters hers are just to extreme.

Katarina is balanced due to the fact that it is possible to ruin her whole game (early, mid, late) by simply saving up your CC to shut her down and prevent her from finishing her ult channel. "OP" champions don't exist. If they do, that means someone fed them and didn't play properly against them.

DanofDemacia2 votes

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Katarina is balanced due to the fact that it is possible to ruin her whole game (early, mid, late) by simply saving up your CC to shut her down and prevent her from finishing her ult channel. "OP" champions don't exist. If they do, that means someone fed them and didn't play properly against them.

Op doesn't mean unbeatable just takes to much to beat.

skyfall6195 votes

kat has 2 point click abilities and 2 click no point abilities. for as simple as she is she is stupid powerful. she is one of those champ that you just cant respect people who play her

Radnar the bold4 votes

I played a game yesterday where the other teams kat wrecked my teamates and at the end of game que the person playing as kat said "wow this champ is broken XD"

Poptart Evelynn3 votes

The op is pulling all your legs. He doesn't even play Kat let alone even have a history of even playing Kat once. Nice try op. We have this thing called google.

Kats core is Resets. With a kit designed to reset you can't apply restrictions that prevent resets. It's completely against the point of the kit.

She needs some changes but her resources is not the issue.

Fur Fox Sake5 votes

Lmfao the first time I played kat, I got a quad. She's such a skilless champ and yes its her resources that are the issue. She shouldn't have high aoe dmg, basically no cooldown, and have free spam because of not having to rely on mana. Fed or not in Laing phase she is a monster, penta machine late. I get youre a katarina player but being able to melt someone in not even a second with all lock on spells is extremely overpowered. There's no skill shots and no strategic use of mana to farm and poke. Nothing, strong and easy to play. It's ridiculous

Jefftiffy2 votes

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Lmfao the first time I played kat, I got a quad. She's such a skilless champ and yes its her resources that are the issue. She shouldn't have high aoe dmg, basically no cooldown, and have free spam because of not having to rely on mana. Fed or not in Laing phase she is a monster, penta machine late. I get youre a katarina player but being able to melt someone in not even a second with all lock on spells is extremely overpowered. There's no skill shots and no strategic use of mana to farm and poke. Nothing, strong and easy to play. It's ridiculous

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/41891389 You in silver 5. (I am Silver 2, not much to brag about, but I'm not complaining about a champ that I understand and have even struggled against). Mechanics are the key to Katarina for her and to shut her down.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/katarina&region=all&map=sr&queue=5x5&league=gold#statistics Normal gold 5v5s. She averages about 50% WR. Mechanics are higher here meaning she doesn't do as well.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/katarina&region=all&map=sr&queue=5x5&league=diamond#statistics Now we go to Diamond where her WR takes a dive. I wonder what the problem is? Maybe it's the lack of mechanics in lower elos? I'm pretty sure that's it.

Now if you look at Solo Queue her stats are going to be better because of less coordination. On top of this you also forget that teams aren't taking comps nearly as well into consideration in solo queue.

If you want to rip on Kata for stomping Solo Queue. I'm going to call out Yi, because his reset is 10x worse. Its just dps based rather than an easily countered burst. He can dodge your on target CC, skill shot CC, blow up a tank or a squishy in the same amount of time. He can ignore slows. Stopping him with a stun doesn't stop the majority of his damage. He is another Solo Queue dominater due to his ability to split push as well as blowing up teams due to lack of coordination or a good comp.

Poptart Evelynn2 votes

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http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/41891389 You

http://www.lolking.net/champions/katarina&region=all&map=sr&queue=5x5&league=gold#statistics Normal gold 5v5s. She averages about 50% WR

http://www.lolking.net/champions/katarina&region=all&map=sr&queue=5x5&league=diamond#statistics Now we go to plat where her WR takes a dive. I wonder what the problem is?

Now if you look at Solo Queue her stats are going to be better because of less coordination. On top of this you also forget that teams aren't taking comps nearly as well into consideration in solo queue.

If you want to rip on Kata for stomping Solo Queue. I'm going to call out Yi, because his reset is 10x worse its just dps based rather than an easily countered burst. He can dodge your on target CC, skill shot CC, blow up a tank or a squishy in the same amount of time. He can ignore slows. Stopping him with a stun doesn't stop the majority of his damage. He is another Solo Queue dominater due to his ability to split push as well as blowing up teams due to lack of coordination or a good comp.

Lmao I've been maining kat for 5 seasons straight. (Although this season I'm not using her atm because I'm enjoying kha berfore tank season begins next patch and then I'll go back to kat)

She needs changes badly in the right areas to make her an enjoyable champion for everyone and to be properly balanced.

usul12023 votes

I think your post looks in the wrong direction on kat. Her abilities are point and click, so they have a very low skill floor. Because of this, though, there really isn't any creativity you can do with it. If you watch those Diamond Lee Sin's, they are pretty damn creative with his play. same with Diana's (R then mid-flight Q for reset) and other champs. Most of the champs that really go off at high elos have the option for creativity. The closest Katarina gets is a clever shunpo (Cheap version of lunar rush).

So the reason I consider her a skill-less champ is that there's no where to go with it. yea you can tell the difference between a bronze and a diamond kat, but is the playstyle light-years apart like a Lee Sin or a Shaco? no. there's just not enough options because her point and click style along with focusing her damage in one channeled ability is too linear. You rely on your enemies being bad to do well, and thats not a well designed champion.

Fur Fox Sake3 votes

Just because you're in silver 2 that doesn't mean you're a better player than me. I reached gold last season and where I am now has a lot to do with the fact I have been duoing with my boyfriend in rank bronze 5 lmfao. Ranked is heavily based of off teammates as well. Your kda's are not superior either.

Those charts do not average her at 50% WR at all. It's an average of 53% and let's take a look at mid lane match up. This really tells us how a champ is doing against everyone: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=mid-matchup&range=daily&map=sr&queue=normal

Heres her even in diamond: http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=mid-matchup&range=daily&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond

Almost every spot is green. That means over 53% winrate against almost all mid laners but a couple. She is currently dominating and is very strong. She can kill you before you even have a chance to cc but it's the fact that about all her abilities are lock ons and they dont require skill to cast on the opponent. She is resourceless and does heavy aoe damage while having cool down resets. This Champion is going to either see some nerfs or a rework.

AMYS GRAVE3 votes

Her resourceless nature is the entire issue. With her resets she is not gated by anything at all.

Auryiel2 votes

If she gets mana, they'll just have to drastically increase the power of all her basic abilities

Build Seraph's/Grail and you're back to the same problem, except now she's actually good without resets and people will just cry about her even more

The5lacker2 votes

Question: Why do people think that champions have Mana? What do people think is the reason that some champions have Mana and some champions utilize another resource or no resource at all? Do they think it's targeting? Because there are mana using and manaless champions in every spectrum of targeted and skillshot abilities.

Der Lindwurm2 votes

Kat is even billed as a "mage". Seriously. I would have no problem with giving her mana if even champs like Darius and Fiora have it. It would mitigate some of what makes her a terror at low MMRs and in ARAM especially, force some more difficult choices with builds, and wouldn't too adversely affect players who already prefer to play her a bit more carefully (the Kats who are more likely to go 15/5 than 30/20.)

Amarajah2 votes

Katarina does push the wave too hard for a resourceless champ, especially with that 4 second cooldown on the AoE W completely resourceless. the QW combo spam on the wave pushes it way too hard for a resourceless champ. I think she should do reduced damage to minions with it or something, cause pushing in the wave then roaming is absolutely obnoxious.

ZGM Dazzling2 votes

Why kata cannot have mana:

  1. You would have to build tear on her because of her low damage, low cooldown abilities and her passive. What if you ran out of mana in the middle of your second reset? Not much fun right... well maybe if your playing against her.
  2. She doesnt have CC so she doesnt NEED the drawback of having mana. A rioter said about Mordi is that he cant have CC because he doesnt have mana so the same goes for kata.

Why Kata's passive shouldnt only be for kills:

  1. Lets say you get ksed (kill secured) by a teammate because this IS a team game and then you dont get your reset to shunpo back out and you die... that would happen alot... and you know what else would? "/all 9x report Morgana assisting enemy team"

I'm not flaming or anything but shes really not broken. Its frustrating when your teamates dont know how to deal with her but she has SO MANY ways to stop her ult. Somebody made a post about all the champs that had a away to cancel her ult but i forget who.

Anyway, hope this helped.

Hinagiku332 votes

Do people actually lose lane to Kat?

If the problem is only her going bot lane and getting a double kill, then the problem you actually have is bad teammates who ignore pings and MIA calls (because of course you alert your team that Kat is roaming as a good player) and shove the lane at half health. Nerfing Kat won't fix stupid.

  1. If you're concern is that she's "all point-n-click" (despite having two non-targeted, self-centered AoE's, one of which is channeled) then why not suggest making her Q a skillshot?

  2. Why should Kat be stopped from getting early resets? It's her passive and the sole reason she gets picked. Would you stop Ashe from getting her passive crit and Lv 1 while walking to lane?

  3. Kat's Q tickles you currently unless she dives you to proc the mark and, as you said, you should position yourself so she isn't hitting you and the creep wave simultaneously already. The only thing giving her mana would accomplish is making Q hit for a lot more damage when she does decide to poke you, since she shouldn't be marking the whole creep wave as it is if you position properly.

  4. What? If Kat gets mana then her damage goes up because her abilities are no longer free (Riot has stated this). Tri-Pen on Kat isn't even that effective a build since her QWE damage is so low. Stacking early magic penetration is only good on champs with good base damage, and if you give Kat mana that's exactly what she is going to have.

Kat gets her damage from resets (by taking down low health targets with her low damage QWE) or by channeling her ult for massive damage. She does this while having no CC or utility and her only defense being a short-duration damage reduction after Shunpo'ing in. Fiora and Yi have mana and no CC but get by because they deal obscene damage with their basic attacks as melee carries and are still not remotely competitively viable. Giving Kat mana and gimping her resets without giving her CC or awesome utility would just make her the most Trash-tier mage/assassin in the game...unless you feel like giving her so much damage that resets are superfluous.

I'm confused because giving Kat mana solves literally none of the problems you have with her, except maybe for early resets, but that would just make her unplayable.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

this ^

junglerboy162 votes

I feel like while giving her mana would gate her early on, but she is already weak enough early on and really needs more attention late game where she can literally become unstoppable (just played a game and even though we always interrupted her ult immediately and had a lot of hard CC like silences and stun, their Kat would just 1v5 dive into us under turret and get three of us before shunpo-ing out again). Mana would mostly hurt her already weak early game and just become a non factor again late game, except for maybe diversifying her build options a little.

Are2 votes

She is balanced around not having mana. She has high cooldowns, and low base damages. She is meant to use all of her skills given that she gets the reset.

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

She needs something done. Every time i see her in ARAM its at least one guaranteed pentakill. Every. Single. Time.

SwordArt0ffline1 votes

hello? Were talkin bout sr here, a champ shouldnt get nerfed just because ahe is good in aram

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Even on SR she still roams bot for an easy double kill quite frequently and then is unstoppable the rest of the game. She snowballs so hard that if anyone on your team makes one mistake a reasonably-not-stupid Katarina can carry the game. Unless you are plat+ a mistake will happen pretty quickly and potentially ruin the game.

KYU222 votes

In my experiences, Katarina has always had a miserable laning phase against pretty much any ranged champion, since her bases are just so bad. Yeah it sucks that she snowballs like hell, but so many champions can capitalize on mistakes that Katarina really isn't that special.

Arkna1 votes

I think a lot of issues mid-lane stem from players not being used to mana gating. Try running flask. It wasn't a bad start before, and regen nerfs have made it even more attractive, especially against a manaless lane with unavoidable damage. Besides her ult, her damage isn't very good, so being able to sustain it while maintaining the mana to trade is a good idea.

Axests1 votes

idk about giving kat mana costs, it would ruin her laning phase. She's way too reliant on q for damage, if she used mana she'd be forced into and endless farming game where she's unable to trade, and as a result, unable to farm. She would be destroyed as a champion

Carniverous1 votes

All true. I know a lot of people are here to defend Kat, but people need to see the light in on both sides. Kat having Mana might balance the 6 ults she used last team fight for her penta kill, and reduce it to a Quad with 4 ults.

It is true that people don't know how to fight Kat. But, the very best Kat I have ever faught, used summoner 4 summoner 1 +item 3111 She would go in, (QWE+) we'd blow our CC "OH MY GSH KAT IS GOING IN, BLOW ALL OUR ULTS AND CC" ( summoner 1 item 3157 ) Or just Flash out depending on whats up. Her team comes in, when she cleaned up.

And yeah yeah, Kock ups, she can't cleanse kock ups. CC is not exactly counter play. Since it can be countered. Counter play is a weakness that can be used against them, a way you have to play to exploit it. Kat dose not have a weakness, being squishy is not a weakness, since she has a choice between damage and tankyness. But, goes damage. Because that gives her more safety than HP would. (DMG = Kill (KIll > Jump/dodge Skill shot CC = No/less HP loss. = CD downs = Kills)

So CC, and focusing can be used against any champ. But that dose not make it counter play.

I'm for the Mana change. But it is true, not enough people know how to fight Kat.

Edit: I also kinda like the 50% effectiveness for her passive. But all things should be tested.

Sammystorm1 votes

I think it is bad to give reset based characters mana. It gives them too many cdr options. I would much rather have infinate q kat then infinate q kat with cdr and overall better items.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

She is , like, the only reset champ with no rescorces though. Thristana? KhaZix? Even Yi all have Mana. What is Kat's excuse?

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