Make LB Q a skillshot

DropFill·Feb 27, 2015·148 votes·5,709 views

Just for, you know... counterplay purposes.

107 Comments

BrickRocketFeb 28, 201553 votes

Dont forget to give her a .75 delay on her dash

Remlap1223Feb 28, 201510 votes

1.25

Fixed it for you. The idiots didn't even take out the cast time.

Titanium70Feb 28, 20155 votes

I just think about an LB or a Zed that´s jumps 1.25 Secs after original activation... :D That would be amazing. xD

But dont forget to add an indicator, which show´s exactly where they´ll land, so everyone can throw their skillshots at this point! x'D ROFL!!

ModWulf HelhammerFeb 28, 20155 votes

But dont forget to add an indicator, which show´s exactly where they´ll land, so everyone can throw their skillshots at this point! x'D ROFL!!

You mean like a glowing circle or a shadow statue?

Red CenturioFeb 28, 201518 votes

If they did it to Veigar I demand it happen to leblanc.

ConturbatioFeb 28, 201512 votes

If they did it to my Veigar I don't want equality, I WANT THEM TO REVERT THAT RETARDED NERF.

QuortFeb 28, 201513 votes

Ok, but to compensate, LeBlanc gets her Silence back! x3

SephAgroFeb 28, 201514 votes

Deal. But in the interest of 'healthy' gameplay mechanics, Leblanc will die from now on if her clone dies too. 'Counterplay' you see.

QuortFeb 28, 20155 votes

Seems fair, but, now her clone also copies her spell casts and targeting, dealing the same damage she does. High risk, high reward, you see? :)

TonyTonyMordecaiFeb 28, 20152 votes

Should her clone blow up dealing AOE damage upon death too? Shaco counterplay

QuortFeb 28, 20153 votes

It definitely should. But Shaco would feel left out, so we'll give him the ability to teleport to his Jack in the Boxes like Rek'Sai does to her tunnels.

TonyTonyMordecaiFeb 28, 20152 votes

balance at its finest, right here

FastAsHeckMar 1, 20151 votes

i can already feel the patch notes: "shaco can now instantly teleport to any jack in the box (or wards too, why not) in the map by using q on it. the q does not go on cooldown for counterplay purposes"

MCBiggah99Feb 27, 201517 votes

Oh god, all the twisting and aiming I'd have to do with the mouse, she'd be so fuckin impossible to use.

^ This is part sarcasm and part serious, btw

I do believe skillshots are important, and every champion should have at least one, but come on... Skillshots on LeBlanc? She'd be way too difficult to use dude, you know she would.

DropFillFeb 28, 201540 votes

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I do believe skillshots are important, and every champion should have at least one, but come on... Skillshots on LeBlanc? She'd be way too difficult to use dude, you know she would.

Right now she is too easy to use, too rewarding, too safe and burst too much

MCBiggah99Feb 28, 20158 votes

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Right now she is too easy to use, too rewarding, too safe and burst too much

She's always been the same champion, lol. Her damage hasn't changed. Where did the "high skillcap" talk go? Where did the people who flipped shit when her silence got removed go?

She might be a scrubstomper, but she's still difficult to play.

QuantumLightFeb 28, 201517 votes

no she isnt. qw twice before 6, once u hit it qrwe ignite they have died. rinse and repete. shes my main mid in ranked... this happens every game, sometimes before i hit 6 compeletely. the hardest thing about her is csing in the late game.

DropFillFeb 28, 20158 votes

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no she isnt. qw twice before 6, once u hit it qrwe ignite they have died. rinse and repete. shes my main mid in ranked... this happens every game, sometimes before i hit 6 compeletely. the hardest thing about her is csing in the late game.

Which doesn't happen most times because late game is not a thing when lb is 10/0

Ashes AriseFeb 28, 20154 votes

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She's always been the same champion, lol. Her damage hasn't changed. Where did the "high skillcap" talk go? Where did the people who flipped shit when her silence got removed go?

She might be a scrubstomper, but she's still difficult to play.

She has never been difficult to play. She has always been faceroll. She can make 100 mistakes and get away with all of it.

Penguin EclipseFeb 28, 20152 votes

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She has never been difficult to play. She has always been faceroll. She can make 100 mistakes and get away with all of it.

Funny how opinions change. Because in season 3 (while she still had her silence) she was considered weak because she was too unreliable from her high skill floor. Couldn't carry, terrible late game.

AuryielFeb 28, 20152 votes

No actually she sucked because she had to max Q for single target damage so she couldn't clear

Net result was you'd just shove her under tower, force her to CS with her (then) terrible AA animation and go roam or just stay far back and farm wraiths because back then the strong picks were long ranged and cleared waves easily

The change to her ulti enabled LB players to level up W first for additional wave clear and mobility and still burst down targets. Her AA animation was also improved a lot so she could CS under tower easily

Don't distort facts by not putting them into context. Her being considered weak had absolutely nothing to do with her skill cap or skill floor

YOU BEEN WARNEDFeb 28, 201529 votes

I mean Veigar wasn't being a whore like LB.

His Q turned into a skillshot.

LB's turn plz.

TheKingDodoFeb 28, 20153 votes

veigar is not mobile

Auz the RipperFeb 28, 20152 votes

All the more reason to make it a skillshot

AnidanFeb 28, 20153 votes

Not catching the sarcasm if it's there, but are you saying mobile champs shouldn't have too many skillshots to worry about? Because Ahri has two that are vitally important to her, Gragas can miss literally all of his damaging abilities, as can Zed if he isn't halfway careful. Mobility is no excuse in this game.

ThryaleFeb 28, 20152 votes

in other words: veigar is immobile, screw what he needs, let's make his life more difficult

FeathermaneFeb 28, 20155 votes

This makes no sense. If Riot made her harder to use, less rewarding, unsafe and with less burst, she would be a minion.

PalPlaysFeb 28, 20156 votes

But still good, because she would be a minion with a CLONE!

WOMBO COMBO! WHERE YOU AT! WHERE YOU AT!

Exalted PhoenixMar 1, 20151 votes

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Oh god, all the twisting and aiming I'd have to do with the mouse, she's be so fuckin impossible to use.

^ This is part sarcasm and part serious, btw

I do believe skillshots are important, and every champion should have at least one, but come on... Skillshots on LeBlanc? She'd be way too difficult to use dude, you know she would.

Bruhh, her w is a skill shot and most LB burst using Q and W so if you're going to burst with w just treat both as a back to back skill shot for burst.

ApplyForAGrantFeb 27, 20159 votes

Not a bad idea as long as the skillshot Q can pass through minions.

Baron PerenoldeFeb 28, 20158 votes

Leblanc, hard to use? Ha...

georgiotatosFeb 28, 20157 votes

lb winrate is at 47-48%, what more do you want? her w is interruptible easily with any cc , all you have to do is call mia and not let her proc her q and gg, i am not saying she is week but she is in a good place imo, look at other broken Nidalee champions Leona ...

MrLEeeeiiiFeb 28, 20153 votes

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lb winrate is at 47-48%, what more do you want? her w is interruptible easily with any cc , all you have to do is call mia and not let her proc her q and gg, i am not saying she is week but she is in a good place imo, look at other broken champions ...

veigar is 39%

AudiomancyFeb 28, 20151 votes

That's because Riot's balance team is retarded.

OopsFeb 28, 20151 votes

u know they did that last patch...give them time to follow up...they see he is 2 weak so they buff him azir has some range return on the way and kassa will get monitored ass well and if he needs so range back he will get it

Im bad at adcFeb 28, 20155 votes

ITT: People QQing because Le'blanc is "hard to play against". Just play a champ that can farm under turret till 6, stay out of range of her distortion, or dodge her chains, but don't bitch about her because you suck.

RasvFeb 28, 20152 votes

If you have no other option but to farm under tower, you're losing your lane. Leblanc will roam.

OperationDEEZ1Feb 28, 20154 votes

It already has horrible range. The true problem is that there's way too much shit frontloaded into her W.

CupcakesaladFeb 28, 20153 votes

no never

Civil DawnFeb 28, 20153 votes

I remember when counter-play was strategically thinking better than your opponent, not right clicking better than someone

Penguin EclipseFeb 28, 20152 votes

If you guys think Riot hasn't already thought about this I am sure you would be wrong.

There are no doubt several reasons why this hasn't happened yet. It is her only real harass in lane (either alone or part of the Q+W combo). Her dependence on Q landing is exceptionally high as her combo literally builds on it. She has no other targeted or autotargeted spells. One of her main combos is Q + mimiced Q, which would be exceptionally hard to land if they were both skill shots.

No matter what kind of skillshot it would become LeBlanc would only stand to lose and most likely lose a lot especially against other assassins. The range of her Q is already in a danger zone for LeBlanc against most of them. Making it a skillshot will only compound that fact unless the range was increased which still wouldn't help her much since her W range is already less than her Q range.

KaisadiIIaFeb 28, 20152 votes

That would ruin her even more in teamfights. I have no problem with LeBlanc burst later in the game, it's fair and it's the job of your frontline to prevent her from reaching your carries. The only "counterplay" problem is the high burst she has at level 2-3 when she can zone almost every champion if played correctly. They just need to lower damage from Q and W at early game, maybe putting it into E, or dramatically increase mana costs at early game.

Penguin EclipseFeb 28, 20154 votes

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That would ruin her even more in teamfights. I have no problem with LeBlanc burst later in the game, it's fair and it's the job of your frontline to prevent her from reaching your carries. The only "counterplay" problem is the high burst she has at level 2-3 when she can zone almost every champion if played correctly. They just need to lower damage from Q and W at early game, maybe putting it into E, or dramatically increase mana costs at early game.

Honestly they could make her less oppressive and add counter play simply by dropping the mana cost of her W but add a mana cost to reactivate it (for a net increase if she reactivates it).

theragingnerdFeb 28, 20152 votes

no 1 sec delay before reactivating w she has no real counterplay

Penguin EclipseMar 1, 20151 votes

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no 1 sec delay before reactivating w she has no real counterplay

Add a 1 second delay before recasting and she would have no play, counter or otherwise.

theragingnerdMar 1, 20151 votes

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Add a 1 second delay before recasting and she would have no play, counter or otherwise. well either that or we get a no counter play champ

Penguin EclipseMar 2, 20151 votes

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well either that or we get a no counter play champ

LeBlanc's kit doesn't really make much since when you think about it and ultimately why a delay on her W return can never happen without her becoming completely trash. Say LeBlanc does a full combo. E+Q+R+W for example. She has to jump into melee range. A place in all reality she really doesn't want to be because she has doesn't have any abilities to use once she gets there. Being AP, her AA does nearly 0 damage. She has no sustain and no defensive stats or abilities of any sort outside of her passive which is next to worthless the majority of the time when you are in melee range. Her only real defense and the reason she doesn't disintegrate is that she can get back out before she dies.

Because every combo requires her to W into melee range, putting a 1 second delay on her W would negatively affect her at every point in the game. She would be unable to lane against the vast majority of midlaners. Ganking lanes wouldn't even be worth the risk. And she simply wouldn't have a late game. She couldn't team fight. She couldn't assassinate people that are out of line. She couldn't go in if there is ever more than 1 opponent and if she can't 100-0 burst that opponent (which she couldn't due to being severely underfed) then she would die accomplishing nothing.

thinking manMar 1, 20152 votes

Remove the slow from E.

It's not bad if a champion has one or two target abilities, but something with such overwhelming mobility shouldn't also have an extremely powerful slow/root in the same ability.