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New Ryze is cancerous.

Painforged··10 votes·1,178 views

perma snare with Q W. Don't believe me? try him out. Or try to play against him since everyone is spamming him top lane now. Holy shit once you get snared you can't get out. And people are complaining about Ekko? Just going to ban him every game until the hotfix. Because a perma-snare is never a balanced thing.

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atomicwit3 votes

His winrate even for top in Plat+ (champion.gg) is only 51%. Broken is an extreme word to use but he's basically like an Annie. If you're in his range when he's close to supercharged and with ult., you'll get shredded and snared more than once due to how his CDs work. On the other hand, he does have a short range, lacks mobility, is very mana hungry and needs scaling items. He's also mostly single-target focused, light on the CC (overall much less than Mao etc.) and isn't really capable of initiating or providing a frontline. Most top-laners, such as Hecarim, are able to initiate and dive the back-line. Also, despite people's claims that Ryze is a late game champion, I think he's strongest early-mid game where it's mostly skirmishes. He is amazing in 3v3s but far less so in 5v5. In fact, his winrate drops to 48% as Top when games go past the 40 minute mark in Plat+.

These are the facts from a balanced point of view. With that said, laning vs him is very frustrating. When he is "ready to go" with a high mana bar, his passive and his ult., he is among the very best duelists in the game if not actually the best. The picks I've seen work best are Wu'Kong, Irelia, Hecarim, Rengar, Anivia, Akali, Mao (not as bad as the LCS game suggested), Renekton, Fiora and Vlad. Anivia can abuse Ryze's short range while being more impactful in teamfights and not particularly easy to burst. She can control the lane enough that Ryze will basically never get a chance to do anything. Fiora and Wu'Kong have very high damage while being able to "dodge" Ryze's passive with their own ults. if timed properly. Irelia's tenacity also works great against Ryze since the W is less impactful and yet she also has high burst.

Is he overpowered? I'm not actually sure but I'd lean towards "Yes" because I think his early damage is a bit too much. On the other hand, people don't see him much and don't respect his stacks or range. I think this is in part Riot's fault since the stacks show up the same blue color instead of being something more easily identifiable like red (suggesting danger).

Painforged1 votes

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His winrate even for top in Plat+ (champion.gg) is only 51%. Broken is an extreme word to use but he's basically like an Annie. If you're in his range when he's close to supercharged and with ult., you'll get shredded and snared more than once due to how his CDs work. On the other hand, he does have a short range, lacks mobility, is very mana hungry and needs scaling items. He's also mostly single-target focused, light on the CC (overall much less than Mao etc.) and isn't really capable of initiating or providing a frontline. Most top-laners, such as Hecarim, are able to initiate and dive the back-line. Also, despite people's claims that Ryze is a late game champion, I think he's strongest early-mid game where it's mostly skirmishes. He is amazing in 3v3s but far less so in 5v5. In fact, his winrate drops to 48% as Top when games go past the 40 minute mark in Plat+.

These are the facts from a balanced point of view. With that said, laning vs him is very frustrating. When he is "ready to go" with a high mana bar, his passive and his ult., he is among the very best duelists in the game if not actually the best. The picks I've seen work best are Wu'Kong, Irelia, Hecarim, Rengar, Anivia, Akali, Mao (not as bad as the LCS game suggested), Renekton, Fiora and Vlad. Anivia can abuse Ryze's short range while being more impactful in teamfights and not particularly easy to burst. She can control the lane enough that Ryze will basically never get a chance to do anything. Fiora and Wu'Kong have very high damage while being able to "dodge" Ryze's passive with their own ults. if timed properly. Irelia's tenacity also works great against Ryze since the W is less impactful and yet she also has high burst.

Is he overpowered? I'm not actually sure but I'd lean towards "Yes" because I think his early damage is a bit too much. On the other hand, people don't see him much and don't respect his stacks or range. I think this is in part Riot's fault since the stacks show up the same blue color instead of being something more easily identifiable like red (suggesting danger).

You are right. But win rate does not mean anything. People just started realizing Ryze's power just recently. So his win rate is going to go up and same thing with his picks and bans rate.

I fuk with TYBG2 votes

Yah I wouldn't go against him top if I were you. Just wait until they fix him. Until then, make sure hes banned or if your team can get him first then go for it.

Dedrius2 votes

Hes the most broken champ by far right now, they will fix him soon.

LilxPaprika1 votes

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Hes the most broken champ by far right now, they will fix him soon.

most broken is already a heck of a statement, then adding by far?

bit more time will tell.

I posted this comment earlier

If ryze were to get too big I think perhaps lowering the duration of a snare on the same target over too short a duration could be one way to tone him down. His chain cc potential is really strong.

Dedrius1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ckIwozedAY

This video pretty much sums up how balanced he is.

Joe Dredd2 votes

wow who woulda known any iteration of ryze is cancer inb4 " MUH NO MOBILITY " circlejerk comes in and says hurrdurr LB

Nilok2 votes

Lets see, a Champ with a 4.6% popularity is complained less than a champion with a 31.2% popularity. Nope, the statistics are perfectly fine, it would be far stranger if more people complained about Ryze than Ekko with that play rate.

Heck, a if a champion has a 3% or less play rate but is super OP, they should have far less complaint threads than a champions with a 30%+ play rate who is just frustration.

Painforged2 votes

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Lets see, a Champ with a 4.6% popularity is complained less than a champion with a 31.2% popularity. Nope, the statistics are perfectly fine, it would be far stranger if more people complained about Ryze than Ekko with that play rate.

Heck, a if a champion has a 3% or less play rate but is super OP, they should have less complaint threads than a champions with a 30%+ play rate who is just frustration.

Uh, I dont know if you have noticed but, popularity does not mean a single thing. Just because less people know about how broken Ryze is does not change the fact that he is still more broken than Ekko. People are starting to find out just now. soon enough his play rate and ban rate will increase.

Nilok1 votes

I didn't say anything about if Ryze is or isn't OP, just that your statement:

And people are complaining about Ekko?

will happen regardless how OP a less played champion is since the popular champion will be much more visible.

Once a champion reaches that level of popularity, they are almost always going to be in a game, and often on both sides, this means that both teams will get to know the popular champion very well and form very vocal opinions about them when they are too powerful, even just a little.

At least we will never (dear god I hope) get a champion as OP as Beta Twitch. I have never seen an ulting Alistar, and his entire team, go from full to zero so fast...

Sukishoo2 votes

Hope your kind gets actual cancer so you can see the difference between cancer and calling something that is nothing like cancer that.

JustMyBassCannon2 votes

In order for Ryze's W to re-snare, he actually needs to cast his Q twice and his E once during his passive's effect. That's after his snare is rank 3+

FistOfSharkiesha1 votes

With Ryze you either have to build MR or abuse his weak early game. Building MR on someone with fair sustain burns through his mana. He can spam his weak abilities to be quite strong, but it doesn't make him any less of a mana whore. Also he has the weakest early game build path in the game right now. He starts either RoA or tear, then goes to the other. Very easy to abuse. I have a feeling you were using an assassin or glass canon fighter.

Painforged1 votes

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With Ryze you either have to build MR or abuse his weak early game. Building MR on someone with fair sustain burns through his mana. He can spam his weak abilities to be quite strong, but it doesn't make him any less of a mana whore. Also he has the weakest early game build path in the game right now. He starts either RoA or tear, then goes to the other. Very easy to abuse. I have a feeling you were using an assassin or glass canon fighter.

What do you mean glass cannon? did you see the video of Ryze shitting on all of top laners? maokai, vlad, urgot, kass, chogath, morde, even the tankiest dudes died easily because they cannot escape the snare.

atomicwit1 votes

It actually means a lot when you look at high level games, way more than what anyone writes here. It's also not about "realizing Ryze's power just recently." Many Ryze players tried him after the rework and realized he was too terrible pre-25 to be worth it. Now he got buffed and thus is performing much better.

He isn't an Azir or Kalista. It's not that hard to figure out how to manage your passive and positioning factors are the same as the old Ryze. He is simply not performing on par with the QQ because a top laner often brings a lot more than some snares and high damage during a short window. He has high dueling and skirmishing capability but that's about it.

When looking at Plat+, I think winrates are quite indicative of strength barring some incredibly high skill-cap. This is why I can believe that Ekko may be slightly too strong despite a mediocre winrate. For most champions though, it's just very well reflected and LCS results pretty much match the Solo-Que results. For example, Jinx and Sivir are the most successful ADCs in LCS and ALSO in Solo Que.

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