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Make an offline league server.

Painforged··90 votes·7,225 views

So that when you don't have internet for a month or you live somewhere where the internet always disconnects, you can play offline with bots without signing in and still enjoy the game.

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Sozan535 votes

This can (and would) backfire with very serious consequences...

You see, as it is right now - players don't have access to all data the game have - however, if Riot wanted to make an offline-mode they would have to put all the required data in game (since you aren't connecting to anything). With skilled crackers all around this would result in the following:

  • Unofficial League of Legends servers
  • Bigger amount of exploits and hacks

Both are rather major, and I wouldn't like to see either.

Terchio1 votes

I don't see the particularly negative effect from unofficial servers. You wish to use them, they're there, if not, they shouldn't impact your game in any way. That's beside the fact that "offline servers" was an incorrect way to say it by OP; No actual networking capabilities have to be created for this.

As far as exploits and hacks, I can see some definite issues when implemented. However, after some scrubbing, the mode should stabilize, as the mode has far fewer variables on hand. There are more issues when new champions are added, and I don't think many want to see that flow to stop, regardless of the huge amount of champions already available.

Any such mode would be limited on its capabilities, such as only bot mode matches without IP/RP capabilities, and possibly without any skin/champion integration (although I'd hardly consider it a threat to game interests to allow the full champion pool while offline... You can only play against bots anyway.)

Gavran5 votes

There are negative effects from unofficial servers. I don't feel like going into tons of detail, but in short think about two things:

Why would a player choose an unofficial server?

What's in it for the hosts of the unofficial server?

It's not good.

Terchio2 votes

First off, the idea OP gave (and what I mentioned as well) is not a server at all. It's simply offline capabilities with the game when issues arrive for traditional gameplay.

But, as far as the rest, an unofficial server can serve people who have difficulty connecting to a traditional server, whether through a firewall in all online networks or through nearby blackouts. Unofficial servers also can break borders that are typically there in normal gameplay, but do not actually effect gameplay for those who wish to play legitimately. Some games have, in fact, managed longer lifetimes than should have been available to them because of such servers, though likely decidedly illegal.

Long story short, private servers have definite effects on the game, but really only to those that are pretty much breaking the rules anyway. If this game had content that was highly coveted and had extreme utility (like a typical MMO endgame item), I would consider the negative impacts from unofficial servers. However, with generally any form of gameplay in the game being available over a week's play (well, once you hit level 30), I don't see the negative effects truly harming this game. Just as was shown with URF mode, the unbalanced gameplay will lose interest over time, even when expressed in a "seasonal" fashion. However, sometimes it's helpful to have URF available here and there to keep the standard game from stagnating too much, and that's exactly how private servers can serve a game.

If you want to play this game legitimately, there are exactly no negative effects from private server usage, as you simply won't use them. However, if for some reason you end up firewalled out of League traditionally, a private server (or just offline capabilities) will serve people who end up stranded without LoL (and therefore probably stranded without any CPU fun).

VentusDragoon3 votes

I truly think that the only way this could work is if Riot did something like TF2-- where you'd be able to play offline, but not with other players whatsoever. It would pretty much only open up a private server that only YOU could connect to.

Terchio2 votes

It will work regardless. MMOs are still extremely successful, regardless of others' extracurricular activities. LoL even has the benefit of lacking endgame content. Additionally, those private servers are out there, regardless of your best wishes. In fact, if you wanted to "take a bite out of crime", your best bet would be to make playing through a firewall possible through offline content, as such players might never approach private servers as a solution.

DrCyanide3 votes

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Why would a player choose an unofficial server?

Because it was modded to run URF all year long.

What's in it for the hosts of the unofficial server?

Being able to play URF all year long.

Taarki1 votes

With an unofficial server, it would drag players away from the real game, which would slow down matchmaking a lot

Backup4now4 votes

There are a few reasons why I'd REALLY REALLY like unofficial servers to appear. I'm going to use Maplestory's unofficials (they have tons) as an example.

  1. Unofficial servers would allow crackers and programmers to unite and make game modes and champions and skins and all that that rito couldn't, wouldn't, or should not for legal purposes. In maplestory this occurred as people making entirely new classes, better graphics for the attacks of certain classes, and the super-common "returning your character to level 1 while retaining one high-level ability".

  2. Testing purposes. Yes, exploits and hacks would be easier to find with all the game information you're open to, but in Maplestory, people used the private servers to find out how certain character setups would develop, in the order you developed them, and what would be the absolute best way to make a character with the highest stats, usually exploiting old game mechanics like intelligence gaining higher mana per level up, and then transferring mana to HP with scrolls. They even found out ways of predicting how well armor would protect you in the game, since that information was never released. Also, people could test skins before buying them.

  3. No permanence. Without ranked, and without anything official to show the world, people won't stick with private servers for extended periods of time without going back UNLESS...

  4. The possibility of a private server doing Riot's job better. It has happened before that a Maplestory ps had done PvP or some other game that Maplestory itself didn't add to the game yet, and soon enough pvp was added to the original Maplestory game. It was glorious! If a private server outperforms riot, it would be a beautiful sight, and riot's hurt pride would force them to either attack the private server or have to gasp compete. Riot would never allow itself to be beaten by a completely free service. A little competition would really shape up Riot's lazy attitude.

  5. They can only legally run off of donations. The cash shops in Maplestory pservers were always based on money you could get in-game or as a reward for showing your support by posting on the forums or voting on that pserver on a pserver list. If they ever run for money they'd be taken down by force, though at riot's speed it'd probably be a few months before they do anything about it.

So yeah, mostly out of spite, but I think unofficial servers would be a really good for the players and for riot. They could even hire a scout to look for neat things on all the servers out there and copy them, sort of like what they did with jungle timers.

Gavran2 votes

Private servers can't run legally under any circumstances.

account for sale3 votes

That's a red herring. Invalid. You have no idea if that's what would happen.

I'm pretty sure the op is asking for something like how Minecraft creates an instance of a server on your computer, then connects to it to play a single player game.

Even if it could be hacked, it makes no difference, as soon as you hop online, Riot could run a hash check to make sure all the data is the same on your client.

Misys4 votes

"run a hash check" lol

That would never work. Ever.

If it were that simple, hackers would be non existent in every multiplayer game ever.

Carpe Victoria2 votes

Couldn't be said better. I've played a game with both those issues from having data client side. I know what happens all too well- It's not good.

SEKAI7 votes

You don't need a server for offline purposes (depending on how it's done one may need it, but only a really small one would do), since you know, it's counter intuitive.

Painforged10 votes

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You don't need a server for offline purposes, since you know, it's counter intuitive.

Sorry, not really technical here with using the term "server" so forgive me. My whole point is I want to play league offline with bots when I don't have internet, without having to sign in.

SEKAI3 votes

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Sorry, not really technical here with using the term "server" so forgive me. My whole point is I want to play league offline with bots when I don't have internet, without having to sign in.

That would be nice, true.

account for sale1 votes

You want a setup like how Minecraft operates.

Minecraft creates a server on your computer for your single player game. Modify your OP to reflect offline bot mode, not unofficial server.

Misys6 votes

It's worth mentioning that Riot will never do this. You will never be able to play the game without connecting to their servers. Allowing other people to run their own servers means that they have to give out the server logic, which leaves the game open for hackers to find flaws in the code, and develop cheats, and allows other people to run private servers, which would take traffic away from Riot's servers.

Also worth noting that you would still need a server for offline purposes, it's just that the server would be running on the computer that you are playing on (and you would be communicating with yourself).

account for sale1 votes

That's not what he's talking about. He wants to play bots offline. Which would be easy to implement.

Misys2 votes

No it wouldn't. You still need to server logic in order to play vs. bots.

Painforged3 votes

Yah man. I just get tired of not doing anything due to no internet and I lost all my books so nothing to read lol.

Treyen3 votes

i can think of a few things more boring than playing against bots all day....they involve drying paint and watching grass grow.

MacDthree2 votes

well then you wouldn't have to do it.
some people play league just to pass time. I have several friends in the military who are deployed with a laptop, but don't have internet access all the time who would absolutely love the option to relax in the evening with a few bot games. Just because something is boring to you, doesn't mean it's not a good idea.

I fuk with TYBG2 votes

That would be a good idea actually lol. There are alot of times where internet just goes off for days and I could use an offline game with bots to kill time.

Sarutobi2 votes

Dont get me wrong, having some way to play this game offline. i just dont see how it would be possible. First off more than likely it would need a different client, server, basically making a whole new game. Even with that how would IP/Leveling Up/Etc work? Im sure someone would make programs to "cheat" to make so you can get IP faster. Again i would like this idea, just seems like more work/problems than actually doing any good for the game!

Lowvyr1 votes

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Dont get me wrong, having some way to play this game offline. i just dont see how it would be possible. First off more than likely it would need a different client, server, basically making a whole new game. Even with that how would IP/Leveling Up/Etc work? Im sure someone would make programs to "cheat" to make so you can get IP faster. Again i would like this idea, just seems like more work/problems than actually doing any good for the game!

Start at level 30, everything unlocked. No need for IP or leveling up. Even if that's not how they did it, would it matter if someone cheated it? It's an offline version. It's like playing Skyrim. No one can see what you do. No one cares what you do. It's an offline game, even though it's downloaded from the internet.

ActualPain1 votes

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Dont get me wrong, having some way to play this game offline. i just dont see how it would be possible. First off more than likely it would need a different client, server, basically making a whole new game. Even with that how would IP/Leveling Up/Etc work? Im sure someone would make programs to "cheat" to make so you can get IP faster. Again i would like this idea, just seems like more work/problems than actually doing any good for the game!

Limited IP gains on this "server". I'm talking like 10-20 per game. Leveling up can work the same IMO because theoretically you could level all the way up to 30 playing only against bots, the IP reduction would just be to prevent IP gain spamming or whatever you want to call it.

Whimsy Spook2 votes

When the internet goes off, it's the gods telling you to do something more productive with your life. Too bad whenever it happens to me, I spend all that time either trying to fix the internet (even if it's a hopeless cause, i.e service providers end), or I play a single player game, get bored, fool around, try again, repeat... Lay on my bed, try the internet again, repeat.

MacDthree1 votes

as I said in a previous comment, I have several friends who are in the military and deployed, who still have a laptop for when they DO get internet - but don't have access to it all the time.. Those guys have said a thousand times how much they wish they had something better to do offline, and a bot game of league without ragers or trolls for them to relax with while they are miles away from home I think would be kinda cool. Sorry that you didn't think about anybody but yourself.

rinsujo1 votes

I don't think a laptop, maybe any laptop, would be able to run all of the AI for 1-9 bot players, plus the game itself. Desktop, maybe.

MacDthree1 votes

you missed my point entirely.

rinsujo1 votes

No I got your point, I'm just saying I'm not sure it would be possible - I don't think a laptop could run league entirely offline. A desktop might, so there's a little bit of value to the idea in general, but your situation runs into hardware limitations even if Riot did allow it.

EverTokki2 votes

Hmm I agree this is a great idea however the problem is that it might take tons of your drive space if you have all those data in order to play an offline game since these bots that Riot uses are AI's, which means that they need some memory in order to think for themselves. But I still support the idea. Maybe Riot can make it happen. pls rito.

I fuk with TYBG1 votes

BUMP!!! Let's make a rioter see this please.

Légs1 votes

100% agree. so i can show my friends at school my sick plays jks

Gavran1 votes

I'm 90% sure the bot AI is handled serverside, and probably a fair chunk of other stuff too. A lot of that would require code rewrites. Not necessarily really hard ones but... it's a pretty big undertaking. I think you'll have better luck finding something else to play single player.

CheckYourFax1 votes

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I'm 90% sure the bot AI is handled serverside, and probably a fair chunk of other stuff too. A lot of that would require code rewrites. Not necessarily really hard ones but... it's a pretty big undertaking. I think you'll have better luck finding something else to play single player.

Writing AI is the hardest and most expensive thing in game development.

Gavran1 votes

Rewriting the AI to not use the server isn't the same as writing a new AI engine, though. Bulk of the AI should move smoothly. It's not like Riot runs them serverside because they're too intense as is for home machines. Or it's probably not like that anyway.

Not that I'd necessarily agree with that anyway. I can write AI. I'd rather write AI for Riot than deal with Riot's whole networking setup. Different people different skills ya know?

Not that I'm saying making excellent AI is easy though. Trying to model human adaptation, learning, error, avoiding predictable/behavior patterns... mostly importantly making sure it's fun too... and it depends on the game as well. I can write a chess AI that can play chess better than I can. LoL AI... getting it to the point where it's better than a human at anything other than mechanics would be tough, nevermind then having to tone down the mechanics so you can beat it tactically as well as strategically.

AnysonAcE1 votes

The problem is a lot of your data is stored online, not on your local drive. IMPORTANT NOTE: YOUR ITEM SETS ARE STORED LOCALLY SO IF YOU DELETE LEAGUE THEY ALL GO POOF GONE AND WHEN YOU REINSTALL THEY ARE STILL POOF GONE

Tin Tarantino1 votes

I can see adding an option for offline where you select between EUW, NA and such, would be great for setting up LANs and stuff

Aerothal1 votes

that would be so cool!

Zydron1 votes

I just want the ability to have a LAN connection :/

Rootworth1 votes

An offline server is dangerous to the well being of the online server.

Panwar1 votes

An off...offline server...

wat?

a cute lil poro

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MacDthree1 votes

wtf are you even saying. is there an English version of the nonsense you just typed? This post wasn't even made by a person that works for riot.... so how you think it's "riot's way of gauging blah blah" you're an idiot. This post also said zero things about this being a monthly fee.... you're seriously confused. somehow.

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