The Mordekaiser rework got me thinking. (Teemo Related)

Burnt Iron King··29 votes·3,566 views

While the common consensus is that the Mordekaiser rework flat out sucks since it "forces" a champion into a lane he has never been played before I'm intrigued by Riot's intentions behind it. Sure, they should and probably will make the changes needed to polish his shiny metal ass enough to work out well in a solo lane but that's not the subject of this thread, no. This thread's on a far more malicious creature than Mordekaiser could ever hope to be: Teemo!

Since Morde's rework should entice him to be played bot due to some benefits to his kit (Dragon, W passive, etc.) and Nidalee was effectively turned into a beastly jungler while still leaving her laning intact, albeit less obnoxious I thought we could do the same to the Swift Scout.

Teemo just recently received some minor work done to him, which are kinda fun but don't serve any higher goal, even going as far as nerfing his shroom duration significantly. But how could riot even buff him without making him the bane of top lane? Well, what I suggest aren't exactly buffs but rather some changes similar to Nidalees, and how Morde's should have been, but I'm digressing.

WHAT IF....We made Teemo a JUNGLER? He's got a pretty binary and toxic (Huehue) play style top lane and he could use some changes to give him some more interesting aspects to open up the jungle role for the SCOUT, what's a scout's worth if he doesn't scout the enemy terrain and builds up pressure all around the map with his shrooms and presence?

AP junglers aren't really favored by the jungle due to their lack of consistent damage and reliance on mana, both issues Teemo doesn't have. So why don't we spice thing up a bit and give him some more tools to get through the jungle and become this shady nightmarish creature painting your dreams? What I'm suggesting aren't real number buffs but additional effects on his skills when used in the jungle.

-Make his blind last longer on Monsters -When fighting in a bush he enjoys a buff that makes jungle monsters either miss their attacks on him or have their damage reduced by a flat amount. He doesn't need any more damage but survivability's a must in the current Jungle. -Make his Shrooms last longer when put into brushes. This makes it harder for the enemy to tread into his domain while still offering a lot of utility by placing them at chokepoints.

But these are just my thoughts on the subject on making it attractive for classic champions to move out of their comfort zone/lane and try out new positions, which is always a good thing :^)

37 Comments

IsleDiMuerte6 votes

So teemo needs a rework but Graves still cant have his cigar? Kfor oranges

Shitsuren2 votes

you never thot that graves decided to stop smoking?

toonpang5 votes

I'd like to see Quinn Quinn or Twitch Twitch get minor tweaks to become the first official ADC/Jungler champs.

doombotMECHA3 votes

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I'd like to see Quinn Quinn or Twitch Twitch get minor tweaks to become the first official ADC/Jungler champs.

twitch jungle was actually a thing for a while. i see where you're going and i like it a lot

toonpang1 votes

It just seems like the roles they'd pick, personally. Stealthy dudes [evelynn, rengo, kha, shaco] are usually junglers so Twitch could fit right in with them while continuing to ADC as well.

And Quinn has always seemed like a Boy Scout to me, on the frontlines scouting out the enemies of Demacia.

Mistress Madoka1 votes

She's the first Female Boy Scout <3

Spizzle90001 votes

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She's the first Female Boy Scout <3

What? You talkin' about Quinn? (although I'm pretty damn sure that that was an oxymoron.)

Sulghunter3 votes

Girl scout Quinn skin confirmed.

DragoonRuin1 votes

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twitch jungle was actually a thing for a while. i see where you're going and i like it a lot

Nah, I have jungled Miss Fortune a time or two, it was... entertaining to say the least. lol

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

I'd like QUinn to be even more officially treated as the first ADC bruiser.

Count Zubat3 votes

Those lvl 2 Teemo invades would be scary, especially if he would take smite and ignite.

Soma Vermillion16 votes

Teemo : Dun worry team, I got that. I'll gank Botlane with Smite and Ignite. Muwarharhar! Teemo : Wait, Mordekaiser and Sona Bot? Is that Karthus in the Middle...? Mordekaiser : So, you picked Smite and Ignite? Good choice! Ready guys? Sona : ... Olaf : I hope your tiny ears can handle my drums...PFFT- I can't say this with a straight face. Karthus : I'LL %&§$% YOUR &$§$% §&$! REQUIEM THIS &%&$$%! Yorick : sigh Here we go again... Teemo : ;-;

Count Zubat6 votes

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Teemo : Dun worry team, I got that. I'll gank Botlane with Smite and Ignite. Muwarharhar! Teemo : Wait, Mordekaiser and Sona Bot? Is that Karthus in the Middle...? Mordekaiser : So, you picked Smite and Ignite? Good choice! Ready guys? Sona : ... Olaf : I hope your tiny ears can handle my drums...PFFT- I can't say this with a straight face. Karthus : I'LL %&§$% YOUR &$§$% §&$! REQUIEM THIS &%&$$%! Yorick : sigh Here we go again... Teemo : ;-;

You've made my day huehuehue :D

Blood Mefist5 votes

Karthus swearing brings back good memories of when champ sales had stories attached to them...

Thryale5 votes

I miss the sales with corporate mundo speaking about em. They were hilarious.

Shitsuren2 votes

Best thing EVER!!!

Adrian Umbra3 votes

While I appreciate the idea and would love to see Teemo become stronger at jungling, I don't really appreciate making light of the fact that Morde was legitimately forced into botlane (W CANNOT BE ACTIVATED WITHOUT AN ALLY THERE, HE'S AN ABILITY DOWN OUTSIDE OF BOT). If your changes were to make it so that Teemo's Blind only worked on monsters, you'd be approaching the kind of thing that Morde players are dealing with.

Good idea, but not appreciating the lack of understanding on the Morde rework.

Thryale3 votes

personally, I think morde should be able to self cast his W (if there is an ally nearby, it get's auto cast on them) but the skill will still function the same as if he cast it on an ally. (ie, no damage due to not touching zones) but this will let him recast to get the heal and a small amount of damage when he goes to trade.

Yes it'll be weaker, but it's better than not having a skill all together.

TWGdabeast1 votes

EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD DO!!!!! riot that would be a step in the right direction...

why can't they see that?!

Adrian Umbra1 votes

CertainlyT doesn't want Mordekaiser solo laning because he can't get it to work. Guy was given a challenging project and basically gave up on it without giving players an option. So Morde can't self-cast his W and his players are given a dragon ghost to compensate. Oh, and his dragon ghost locks out his ultimate while it's out. Yay?

TWGdabeast1 votes

You would think... if they couldnt get it to work... they would put more time into it... or wait til they got it right... or put more people to work on it...

the frustration of us pre-juggerrnaut mordes... the super solo lane pushers.

Im smashing my head into my desk over and over.... the fact that "Morde isn't a good solo lane champ" is going to be a commonplace term in the near future.... god, it makes me sick to my stomach...

Adrian Umbra1 votes

Nope, gotta get the reworks out in enough time for them to be balanced for Worlds, no time to test or receive player feedback. Except that Repertoire and Statikk have been putting in overtime to make their projects a success when they hit live. Meanwhile, the only two changes to Morde's rework have been a revert on his ult damage nerfs and a slight buff to his Q's base damage. Thanks, CT.

Adrian Umbra1 votes

Agreed. CertainlyT isn't going to implement it though, too late, changes are locked and we're going full steam ahead with the Morde rework in spite of the many, many player complaints about it.

MisterLayzee2 votes

I was thinking his Toxic Darts could heal him while he was attacking neutral monsters as part of his survivability (similar to Elise) as well as shrooms working better in bushes. That way hes not really any better top lane while making him a viable jungler.

TastyDragon2 votes

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But these are just my thoughts on the subject on making it attractive for classic champions to move out of their comfort zone/lane and try out new positions, which is always a good thing :^)

Soraka would like a word with you.

CoolKnightST1 votes

Honnestly teemo needs more than just a rework but an compleet playstyle rework. I keep posting this till riot see's this:

  • Passive: Move Quick (passive, secondary effect while below the 25% of his maximum health)
  • Q: Blinding Dart (not aplies to next auto attack)
  • W: Noxious Trap (damage reduced, arm time reduced, stealth removed)
  • E: Toxic Shot
  • R: Camouflage Bush:
  • Passive: Element of Surprise (now works on bushes)
  • Active: Places a neutral bush on the map. The bush destroys itself while hovering over the bush for 6 seconds (3 seconds for enemies).

I think teemo is just the perfect champion be able to place neutral bushes. It would just be perfect for his identity.

TheFirstGokun4 votes

That's scary as shit. But the bush thing could work on a new champ.

ViashinoWizard2 votes

Teemo + Rengar BFFs

Razgriz9901 votes

Used to be a jungler....

BattleBoar1 votes

I have been what Teemo made into a jungle for a lone time. Like you I just think that where a scout should be.

Mistress Madoka1 votes

I already Jungle Teemo. AP Attack Speed Devourer.

People get really mad about it. <3

UPfreely1 votes

honestly jungle is probably teemos best role right now.

Nuclear Panda1 votes

I saw a guy do sated teemo jungle and he did surprisingly good. I'll be perfectly fine with buffing teemo jungle and i honestly feel like teemo belongs in the jungle. He feels kinda useless elsewhere

Teridax681 votes

Teemo definitely sounds like a perfect fit for the jungle, especially since one of his core themes is him being an explorer and lone agent. While this probably shouldn't prevent changes to make him healthier in lane as well (the main issue is his Q being really oppressive, imo), just shoving him from top lane into the jungle right now would likely solve a lot of the gripes people have with his early lane presence. We need more viable AP and/or marksmen junglers too (also counterjunglers/invaders), so making Teemo a proper jungle pick would also likely contribute a lot to diversity.

Mr Sir Lebowski1 votes

Teemo is already a very strong jungler, at least in solo Queue. His blind makes him very jungle viable and he is a terror with red buff. He also has extreme carry potential with runaans. He actually has a stronger on hit build than anyone else in the game because of his toxic darts which have very high base damage and very high scaling. It put's kaylee's on hit to shame. Of course Kaylee has her ult to help out but with some clever positioning and shroomage you can do wonders carrying with Teemo in solo queue.

yay nibbers1 votes

I actually already play some Teemo jungle, he actually does quite well in the jungle thanks to his blind and poison. His 'shrooms are especially handy for clearing if you can spare any. His only issue is ganking since he doesn't have CC aside from his mushrooms, though his ganks are pretty great if your laner has their own hard CC (poison hurts). Being in the jungle means you're free to start a mushroom farm all over the place too.

I definitely agree though, I'd love to see some fun jungle changes for Teemo. He feels real at home in the jungle, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise.

Sohleks1 votes

Teemo jungle with devourer is actually enjoyable to play. His kits and Kayle's are actually very similar, very similar single target damage actually. Thing is Kayle brings a lot more teamfight prowess with her ult and passive resistance shred. And then Kayle has better base stats, and can actually sustain her hp nicely with her heal during blue buff...

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