Can we PLEASE stop giving bonus damage to monsters?

hashinshin·Nov 26, 2014·8 votes·874 views

Dear lord, every champion that gets bonus damage to monsters becomes directly balanced for the jungle and loses their ability to play in a lane at all. Shyvana's PBE buffs to her Q are great, to burnout are terrible. Not only does it make no sense since Shyvana will never be used competitively as a jungler again due to ganks being far too valuable, but every time somebody says "can Shyvana get buffs?" that answer will be "NO HER WINRATE AT LOW ELO FARMING UP FERAL FLARE IS 50% SO IT'S BALANCED."

Do not do the 20% damage to jungle bonus. Look at removing other bonuses to jungle damage. Give Sion 3 HP per minion so he can lane.

Look at Kha'zix. 20% bonus damage to jungle! Not the best laner, but some people try. No wait his W loses 25 damage. Now his W goes up 2 CD. Teehee.

6 Comments

Lumus AvatarNov 26, 20147 votes

No champion should have inherent bonuses against monsters. that should be item-controlled.

ForMyNextTrickNov 26, 20142 votes

Give me back kha'zix lane!

Linna ExcelNov 28, 20142 votes

I'm going to have to agree with this thread. I don't approve of "forced to jungle" champs. Don't get me wrong, Lee Sin and J4 were great junglers in S4, but when you've got balances to champs like WW that basically prevent him from laning or to Shyv that prevent her from having a balanced win rate (49%-51% range) you are doing it all wrong.

I mean didn't Ghostcrawler try to BS the fans a few months ago by saying riot was slapping champs too hard for going outside of one specific role? What is the balance team doing now, giving champs one very specific role and playstyle and nerfing the crap out of them if they aren't played that way. IMO one trick ponies suck Soraka because if you are denied that one trick, you've lost. One trick ponies by definition have no options to counter-play the other team once they are shut down.

ProfDrDeathNov 26, 20141 votes

The nerfs to Kha'Zix' Void Spikes were done because it was too strong a tool in champ-to-champ combat. In fact, if you're playing lane Kha'Zix as he was intended to be (Q assassin route, maxing that spell), you get more damage out of your one point in W.

The nerfs that kind-of put the final nail in the coffin of lane Kha'Zix came way earlier, in the increase to his isolation range. While that was a necessary change to preserve his assassin playstyle in general, it had the unfortunate side-effect of hitting his lane hard.

EDIT: And come on, Mr. Bruiser Main. You want to seriously tell me that W max/evolve/spam Poke Kha'Zix is good for the game?

RebonackNov 28, 20141 votes

I'm not fond of 'bonus damage to Monsters' for a totally different reason.

It gimps champions on maps that aren't Summoner's Rift.

Shy is already a really iffy pick on Dominion and 'improving' her against Monsters that don't exist won't help matters.

SmokingPuffinNov 28, 20141 votes

Dear lord, every champion that gets bonus damage to monsters becomes directly balanced for the jungle and loses their ability to play in a lane at all.

I disagree. I think Shyvana is too good in lane today to admit a 20% damage buff on her best skill. This seems like a reasonable way to push her as a clearing jungler without breaking her top lane once the meta shifts back to bruiser tops.