Going to a 55% winrate in masters+, and a 57% winrate over in Korea.
This is not a fad. This isn't going away. Riot needs to fucking do something.
EDIT: Actually my bad. I was using old numbers. Her win rate over the last 7 days is actually 58% in masters+, and 60% in Korea.
No Sir! Shen is much more overpowered and needs immediate nerfs! - Riot
You know what they need to do? Make her counters actually usable again.
I think we need an item that counters true damage, like Randuins shaves of 10% of crits, we should have Blanduins, which shaves of 20% of true damage.
Using winrate from Master+.
Would you mind holding this for a moment. http://reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/downvote_dodgeball.gif
Correlation does not equal to causation. Statistics are not an argument by themselves, and I'm especially sick of hearing about how people think winrate and pickrate combined is any more accurate. It just further shows they don't understand that they're making assumptions based on the data rather than working with actual facts.
The only reason she has a 50% winrate is because both teams pick her
51% is good? I'd say that doesn't say much for her being op.
ADC itemization vs Bruiser itemization is a problem. The fact that everyone suddenly stacks health and does damage is a problem. Vayne is a currently existent solution to that problem, but that does not mean she needs a nerf. It means she needs counterparts- via better ADC itemization, nerfs to the new health items, and/or buffs to other ADCs to help them deal with beefier champions.
I think if there is a problem with vayne, it's that the ADC's she struggles laning against are either weak at the moment or just not played very much currently. And I'm still amazed people complain about her true damage over something like her amazing AD steroids which you could argue may be what is putting her over the top, if anything really is.
I personally don't think vayne is too strong right now, and using winrates alone (especially from masters+) is not a great indicator. People complain because she can be annoying to play against, but is easy to shut down in lane, and certainly isn't the only ADC that scales as well as she does.
edit: An additional thought - another thing that may be putting her over the top is BoRK. BoRK by itself may be overtuned, and in conjunction with vaynes AD steroids making up for it's low-ish AD, you could make the case that her early game might be too easy, but I still maintain that her tough matchups are weak or not played.
Having played against Vayne many times since she is all they play in Diamond in my opinion her problem is not her W (though it is bullshit) but her steroids and safety.
Now what i mean with safety:
-If you don't bully her you get outscaled by level 6, so just don't feed in lane as Vayne, you can lose it, but as long as you still get CS you'll be fine. -She can build LS in lane and suffer no power loss. add 2 pots to that and you can't get her out of lane no matter how much you trade/poke. -Gets to level 11 with Bork and Zeal and she's already outscaled the enemy adc.
Vayne could keep her true damage, is her play pattern that makes her completely overwhelming.
it's not that she's op its that all other adc's are shit
EDIT: Actually my bad. I was using old numbers. Her win rate over the last 7 days is actually 58% in masters+, and 60% in Korea.
that moment when his "my bad" is because the numbers werent high enough
Why are people not yelling idiotic comments about how "win rate means nothing"? It's practically a given that some tard will say it proves nothing when statistics are used.
And how popular is thresh?
vayne isnt unstoppable. Every game I have a vayne on my team they do horrible
This is what happens when you quietly and subtly buff a champ for months.
Since her last nerf, she's gotten buffs to her itemization (5% crit removed from Infinity Edge and moved to Phantom Dancer, she builds IE 3rd item at the earliest, and sometimes not at all, while Phantom Dancer is core on her), a bugfix where she got extra AD on her ult tumbles removed, but given extra AD on her ult which is a net buff, buffs to Blade of the Ruined King, a favorable meta change).
Yes, these are small quality of life buffs and bugfixes - but they're buffs nonetheless.
Vayne's power right now is just a perfect storm of several small factors that have pushed her over the top.
Wanna know what meta would destroy Vayne? Watch S4 worlds again. 2-3 assassins per team, Lee Sin everywhere who's way more mobile than she is, Lucian/Trist who both stomped her in lane, supports more about making picks than peeling.
Armor was slightly nerfed, and then we were given a ton of HP stacking items in a meta where vayne is super prevalent its not a good time to be playing at the moment cause this is probably where vayne shines as a meta and shes been buffed over the year.
ehhh... doesnt a 50% winrate mean the champion is balanced???
51 is a pretty good number though
