If you really care about strategic diversity, then make marksmen not mandatory

FalconPawwwwnch··7 votes·853 views

About time you did that anyway

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SmokingPuffin2 votes

I don't know how to do this in a practical amount of time. Key subtasks:

  1. Produce an alternative means of destroying towers against determined defense
  2. How do we kill tanks without late game ADCs?
  3. Where do we get teamfight AD damage other than ADCs? Assassins are bursty, Fighters don't do enough damage late.

Of these, 1 is the big problem. Pretty sure this means either a big mechanical change, like abilities doing damage to turrets, or a bunch of kit reworks / new champions aimed at producing this new siege solution.

Learn341 votes

The problem is that it would at a minimum require creating a lot more DPS-Casters like Ryze and Cassiopeia, which are generally spat upon by the mage-players, and unseen by the ADC-players. Plus, they're slightly harder to play, since keyboard-mashing is somewhat harder than right-clicking. A more thorough and wholesome fix would entail basically overhauling the whole damn game. Ain't nobody got time for dat.

Direwolfiez1 votes

Playing Ryze is hard? Since when?

Feathermane2 votes

Playing games is supposed to be hard? Since when?

Learn341 votes

You kinda missed the point, and I think you're trolling, but I'll answer seriously anyway. Saying Ryze is harder to play does not mean he's hard to play, just that it is more difficult to play Ryze than to play many an ADC (again, keyboard-mashing vs right-clicking).

SmokingPuffin1 votes

Playing Ryze is hard? Since when?

Turns out Ryze has the win rate profile of a high skill cap champion. I know it feels weird, but his rotations and timing stuff accurately is hard for many players.

Aroha Mai1 votes

Falcon, can you make more detailed threads like you used to?

I'm dead serious, hash isn't around anymore and I need my daily fixings on these said topics.

Like this thread man. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3551106&highlight=falconpawwwwnch

Learn341 votes

Hey I remember reading that thread! Funny how the that post still succeeds in describing the state of the game today.

Rebonack1 votes

For #1, you already deal bonus damage to towers based on a percentage of your AP. I believe it's 30% right now? That could easily be kicked up a few notches to allow Mages to better burn down towers.

DrCyanide1 votes

Azir is probably the first mage that could replace an ADC in a team comp.

It's common for Azir to buy a item 3115 already, because of the great stats that it gives him. This gives him an edge on many mages as far as tower-pushing pressure. Additionally, Azir can spend Soldier Charges to directly damage an enemy structure.


Honeslty, the biggest hold up is that there is no fall-back plan for bucking the existing meta. Those wishing to play without a marksman ADC must choose between shoving their replacement in the bot lane (with potential downsides to mages and changes to supports) or they must have a five man team and try something even more drastic (someone solo bot, another player going somewhere else).

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