How do i deal with darius?...
Seriously? how do you play against this cancerous champion?
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Khaoticol8 votesCan't kill you when you camp fountain
TheSequelsRBad5 votes
BeatzBoyFTW7 votesYou just described who Darius counters.
TheSequelsRBad1 votesHow? Maybe I have just played against really bad Dariuses, ( darii?) but I have always beaten them in lane. Your combo just out damages and out sustains his if he engages on you. And you can wittle him down with quick trades using your tentacles to gain an advantage.
BeatzBoyFTW4 votes-
A missed Q or E can give Darius tons of opportunities to harass you with ease, since you do not have much CC kit.
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No mobility, giving Darius an easy way to poke you off from cs-ing with his Q.
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Experienced Darius players knows their sidstepping moves, and Illaoi's Q isn't any surprising at all. They tend to predict where you're gonna land them, and they can just move aside easily.
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Longer duels meaning putting yourself in more danger. Illaoi has not much power spike steroid with her ult, assuming you missed your E, while Darius can steadily gain the upper hand due to the 5 bleeds & bonus AD passive & true damage ult.
TheSequelsRBad1 votesAlmost every point you made about Illaoi is true of Darius, low mobility, weak if they miss certain abilities, etc. And for your last point, you assume Illaoi will miss her E, which is almost impossible to do against someone in melee range of you.
If as Illaoi, you W to darius, E then R, into Q and then W, there is no way darius is going to win that fight, especiually since he can't heal off of his q when you can stick to him with a 2 second W.
Darius can win the matchup if he plays better, but he is by no means a counter.
Tychusfindlay9192 votesAlmost every point you made about Illaoi is true of Darius, low mobility, weak if they miss certain abilities, etc. And for your last point, you assume Illaoi will miss her E, which is almost impossible to do against someone in melee range of you.
If as Illaoi, you W to darius, E then R, into Q and then W, there is no way darius is going to win that fight, especiually since he can't heal off of his q when you can stick to him with a 2 second W.
Darius can win the matchup if he plays better, but he is by no means a counter.
Ironically, darius has more mobility than illaoi in the fact that his harrassment/sustain ability (decimate) allows him to move freely during cast whereas illaoi's poke/sustain (tentacle smash) roots her (and the ability's hitbox) in place.
I would also like to point out that in your scenario, you have her using R, meaning that you're ignoring the obvious weakness she has in lane against darius during pre 6 (which arguably takes up a huge chunk of the lane phase), that is, not having her R in the first place which is what turns this matchup into a skill matchup.
As for illaoi and her E it's possible even in melee range if Darius decides to fight you within the competing minion waves. Darius has 175 range whereas illaoi has 125 range, and yes, this matters A LOT. Illaoi has a lot harder time with creep block than darius. and her most important ability can be blocked by a minion whereas nothing in Darius's kit can be blocked.
Post 6 darius actually can get away when you use your ultimate. Wait for Illaoi to use W once and then use apprehend to bounce her out of melee range and slow her for 40% for 1 second. That window frame is more than enough for darius to just walk away since Illaoi's W, although a gap closer, has very mediocre range for a gap closer. He would have to stay long enough for his spirit to die for the massive slow for you to get back onto him after he does that.
Finally, as I believe I mentioned before, Illaoi is a lot more mana hungry early game than Darius is because she relies on pretty much her entire combo for relevant AND reliable poke whereas darius can do it all with just decimate.
EndlessSorcerer10 votesIt's a pretty volatile match-up. Whoever gets the early advantage is going to make that lane hell for their opponent.
PayaThePapaya3 votesIf Illaoi channels her tentacle smash, that gives darius a lot of time to channel his q and position for the heal. Darius's pull can also cancel illaoi's jump auto. Pre 6, darius has a huge upper hand in duels since illaoi is immobile. Post 6, illaoi can bring on the pain much faster than Darius, but it can go either way depending on how smartly they play
Only Play Darius2 votesAs someone who plays both I find Darius and Illaoi to be a skill matchup.
legionnaire9920 votesfight cancer with cancer
redfeenix4 votesHe's a really strong champ so here are some random bits of advice. Also you can google Darius counter and check out the tips on champ select or lol counter etc.
Do not all in or extensively trade with him. This guy is the master at all ins and if you trade more than five seconds with him, you'll be bleeding out your ass, setting up for his dunk.
Try to go in do your combo and disengage.
Obviously things like dodge his Q be standing closer to him and trading when his spells are down.
He can be beaten very easily once you understand his weakness. This is why he sucks in competitive once you know how hes really easy to counter by any champions. Don't all in him and just like, trade and otherwise harass his hp down. He has only one sustain skill which you can dodge.
Kayle teemo etc are good vs him if you want to lose your dignity and play those characters.
The mistake people make is being drawn into his playstyle ie fight to the death. Just do short trades and kite him out.
Perhaps play a fee Darius games yourself to understand his strengths and weaknesses yourself.
Sorry for typos on mobile
kile1471 votesThe only person I've seen successfully all-in Darius early is Jax. If Darius tries to poke with Q Jax jumps in and starts wailing on him. As soon as Darius starts getting autos off Jax needs to use his E to get as much bleed free time as he can. Assuming you do all of this Darius will be at 1/3 health before he gets a single bleed stack on you.
redfeenix1 votesHe is a very good counter to Darius. The only person who does better in extended trades than Darius, is Jax. The bleed stacks are nothing compared to his passive going to town.
As jax Take Ignite and kill the darius lvl 1. Start Droans blade.
If you wanna play safe Cloth 5 and teleports. But trust me, you can snowball the fk outa this lane as a Jax.
Tychusfindlay9191 votes[deleted]
redfeenix1 votesIts pretty easy to do it since the darius doesnt expect it. I've dont it a few times.
Hyperiön3 votesI just Pick 
I poop on Darius
Tychusfindlay9196 votesGotta fight cancer with cancer right?
There's a difference between lane bully and cancer.
Cancer is something that's actually unhealthy in the game, like 
or 
with his current kit when his numbers aren't nerfed to oblivion.
Ritesh3 votesAs a Diamond Darius main here are a few champions that can beat Darius and why they do it.
High mobility/High damage/Heal/Can Parry Darius' E for stun
Easily kites Darius
Higher burst damage than Darius + mobility
Ranged. Darius will have an insanely hard time getting to you if you play right
God do I even need to give reasons. This guy is cancer
Beats Darius every time post 6 if you land your E
Higher burst damage and more consistent/Has a gap closer
Ranged and higher burst damage.
Get a lead on Darius early and let your Q W damage and high hp do its work/Gap closer
Insane attack speed bonus/lifesteal/Q cheese/E true damage/can't slow him post 6
Insane harass + stun + shield passive
Tons of mobility + higher damage than Darius (only if you ani-cancel). Also has an execute
More consistent damage + high heal
Post Phantom Dancer you do more damage if you don't get hit by outer Q (which is easy).
What do all of these champions have in common? They are either ranged and can kite easy, out damage Darius straight up in trades, or are able to stick to Darius like glue. Champions that can stick to Darius like glue can easily snowball him. Most of Darius' early power comes from hitting his outer Q getting a stack, doing a good amount of damage, and healing. Take that away and it's a free lane for you.
Tychusfindlay9191 votes[{quoted}](name=Son of Whyachi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wwLE0vIY,comment-id=001f,timestamp=2016-09-08T21:52:05.488+0000)
As a Diamond Darius main here are a few champions that can beat Darius and why they do it.
What do all of these champions have in common? They are either ranged and can kite easy, out damage Darius straight up in trades, or are able to stick to Darius like glue. Champions that can stick to Darius like glue can easily snowball him. Most of Darius' early power comes from hitting his outer Q getting a stack, doing a good amount of damage, and healing. Take that away and it's a free lane for you.
Im sorry but I just dont see some of those matchups the way you do.
And if lolking is correct, youre plat 2. Call a spade a spade. You must have gone on a tilt rampage or something because your recent ranked history just has you going downhill. In any case we shre the same rank. One thing I have over you is a shitload more mastery points for darius.
This is where I respectfully disagree with a lot of the chaps you put up there. A lot of them are skill matchups that can have either darius or the other champion snowballing.
And yasuo is already back on the chopping block as of recent, so it looks like he's going back to wherehe belongs, that is, heavily countered by darius outside of level two cheese.
Ritesh1 votesIm sorry but I just dont see some of those matchups the way you do.
And if lolking is correct, youre plat 2. Call a spade a spade. You must have gone on a tilt rampage or something because your recent ranked history just has you going downhill. In any case we shre the same rank. One thing I have over you is a shitload more mastery points for darius.
This is where I respectfully disagree with a lot of the chaps you put up there. A lot of them are skill matchups that can have either darius or the other champion snowballing.
And yasuo is already back on the chopping block as of recent, so it looks like he's going back to wherehe belongs, that is, heavily countered by darius outside of level two cheese.
Yeah I kinda tilted out my ass after I lost a 4v5 at 0 LP. Then I made the fatal mistake of playing and playing then dropping to Platinum and tilting even more and playing even more to try and get back. Didnt exactly go so well so I'm going back to the drawing board. Anyway the counters I listed are only for your average Darius player, not a Darius main for years. Personally the only champion that gives me trouble is Gnar.
D357R0Y3R2 votesbad attack speed
you have to kill him asap to not let him get 5 stacks, in order to do so you have to dodge the blade of his Q, to not get a stack and not let him heal himself.
Eedat8 votesWhew good thing he doesn't have an AA reset that allows him to get 3 autos off in rapid succession.
Oh wait......
D357R0Y3R5 votes2 autos off in a rapid succession, next to this he needs more than 3 seconds to get 5 stacks
i don't know how many top laner have the ability to stay close to him to not let him heal while dishing out so many damage
Eedat2 votesNo. It's 3 autos. Auto, W auto (which is a empowered auto AND an auto reset), auto
That is the most basic of basic combos on Darius. Followed up by Q, auto.
Sona x Rubick8 votesthe W auto reset just helps to do quickly an other auto, the third auto has the attack speed cooldown, that's what you call an AUTO ATTACK RESET, means you only reset the cooldown of one attack.
he's right, after darius attacks one time and uses W, he has to attack 3 times, since darius's attack speed is less than 1 it takes him more than 3 seconds to get 5 stacks (i believe more than 4 with how low it is).
Kinnikuko2 votesif u build titanic you can auto-titanic-w-then auto for 4 stacks. with a q thats like a insta 5 stacks.
Tychusfindlay9194 votesif u build titanic you can auto-titanic-w-then auto for 4 stacks. with a q thats like a insta 5 stacks.
The hydras are a noob trap for darius. Youre better off with a pure defensive item or pure offensive item. The only hybrid that works well on darius is steraks gage.
-almost P1 darius OTP (frequent visitor to darius mains subreddit, you can find neat stuff there)
dapositiveviking2 votesbc?
Ahristocats1 voteshydra doesn't give darius good damage, darius does more damage with spells than AA
Tychusfindlay9192 votes[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wwLE0vIY,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-08T19:44:25.835+0000)
hydra doesn't give darius good damage, darius does more damage with spells than AA
No darius's damage is kind of half AAs (including W) and half Qs. It only goes massively into spell damage when he decides to ult.
Kinnikuko1 votesLike in my comment I use it for insta 5 stacks.
And the active is good burst since the only offense item i build is 
But I might be a noob it seems, cause I rush 
Tychusfindlay9191 votesLike in my comment I use it for insta 5 stacks.
And the active is good burst since the only offense item i build is
But I might be a noob it seems, cause I rush
Its an even worse rush since it requires stacked hp to really get going.
It provides no cdr, negligible ad, decent hp, no resistances, no mana etc.
Its a VERY mediocre item on darius. Micromanaging your W and Q between autos is more than enough stacking speed for darius.
The only time you get an offensive/hybrid item for faster stacking is tri force against squishy teams since it makes your W hit like a truck and it gives way more stats including a bunch of AS for stacking power.
SpookyNeedle1 votes2 autos off in a rapid succession, next to this he needs more than 3 seconds to get 5 stacks
i don't know how many top laner have the ability to stay close to him to not let him heal while dishing out so many damage
When you're vs 
don't fight him level one, try to get level 2 first and abuse the powerspike.
DO NOT parry his Q, it still heals him. I tend to parry his crippling slow and if I want to all in I parry his ult.
Tychusfindlay9191 votesWhen you're
Darius usually gets level two over fiora, especially if he decides to start decimate first so he can push you into your turret first few waves and level first.
Darius should do that in those tricky matchups to avoid getting cheesed.
Once you both get your full combos at level three darius wins until late game when u scale hard as a duelist. You can only try to parry so much. When he get noxian might since tank fiora is dead, a decimate hurts almost as much as a dunk pre level 11. You can parry one and die to the other, your choice.
SpookyNeedle1 votesDarius usually gets level two over fiora, especially if he decides to start decimate first so he can push you into your turret first few waves and level first.
Darius should do that in those tricky matchups to avoid getting cheesed.
Once you both get your full combos at level three darius wins until late game when u scale hard as a duelist. You can only try to parry so much. When he get noxian might since tank fiora is dead, a decimate hurts almost as much as a dunk pre level 11. You can parry one and die to the other, your choice.
Darius doesn't win until late game, it's quite an even matchup once both have full combos. Unless they literally stand next to you
Tychusfindlay9191 votes"Unless they literally stand next"
Fiora is pure melee with the exception of her parry.
She operates on two modes against darius, get zoned or get stacked
SpookyNeedle1 votes"Unless they literally stand next"
Fiora is pure melee with the exception of her parry.
She operates on two modes against darius, get zoned or get stacked
Q is an aa extender dash tho, not melee, and if Q at an angle you can stay at a safe distance. I've had many back and forth games vs Darius
Tychusfindlay9191 votesQ is an aa extender dash tho, not melee, and if Q at an angle you can stay at a safe distance. I've had many back and forth games vs Darius
Maybe against a champion with 125 attack range. Darius has 175 attack range. Lunging on him easily sets him up for an AA>W combo.
SpookyNeedle1 votesMaybe against a champion with 125 attack range. Darius has 175 attack range. Lunging on him easily sets him up for an AA>W combo.
You can Parry the slow, I tend to wait for him to use Q, then I lunge after it, parry the slow and lunge out
Tychusfindlay9191 votesYou can Parry the slow, I tend to wait for him to use Q, then I lunge after it, parry the slow and lunge out
The slow is parried, leaving apprehend free to catch you out if you try to lunge away. Your next move in this game of chess as you find yourself back in Darius's face with one stack thus far and all but your guaranteed crit basic abilities used up?
Remember that riposte starts at 24 second cd and goes down to 16. Compare that to Darius's crippling strike (the Auto attack slow) which starts at 9 and goes down to 5. He's spamming that faster than you can spam riposte that's for sure.
Run or all in? At that point it's up to the skill of the players and who has better kiting at that point.
SpookyNeedle1 votesThe slow is parried, leaving apprehend free to catch you out if you try to lunge away. Your next move in this game of chess as you find yourself back in Darius's face with one stack thus far and all but your guaranteed crit basic abilities used up?
Remember that riposte starts at 24 second cd and goes down to 16. Compare that to Darius's crippling strike (the Auto attack slow) which starts at 9 and goes down to 5. He's spamming that faster than you can spam riposte that's for sure.
Run or all in? At that point it's up to the skill of the players and who has better kiting at that point.
We're both really biased, no point in continuing
Tychusfindlay9191 votesWe're both really biased, no point in continuing
You can assume my bias. i can confirm my qualification as somone who is almost two divisions higher than you with more mastery points on darius than you with fiora.
There's also 1v1s should you care to test out your theories against a non braindead darius. Im up for the weeked.
I7A6X2v21 votes
or any ranged champs (WITH MOBILITY) are the best counter to that toxic champ, 
top, YOU NEED A RANGED CHAMP WITH MOBILITY! Don't ever pick an easy to tap champ like 
... You will end 0/8/0 even if u build full tank.
Tychusfindlay9193 votes
Picking ADC top lanes is a gamble. On one hand you can bully darius, on the other hand ganks with almost any jungler are pretty much 90+% of the time fatal for you.
As for teemo, darius shits on you literally once both of you reach level 6. Not favored over you, SHITS on you. All he has to do is straight up all in.
Adriqnohee1 votesIf you let a Darius catch up to you as a Teemo, then you truly deserves to be used as a toilet.
AFK Push1 votesHe has ways to catch up 
etc.
Adriqnohee1 votesFirst of all, you can't use summoners and boots as an example because teemo can use them as well, and black cleaver move speed not only needs for Darius to be in constant proximity with his target, but is also much weaker than Teemo's W.
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