A buff this strong shouldnt fall down this easily at 21-22min. it was meant for late game, but people are killing it with barely 2 items with 5 people, sometimes even 4 people mid game i literally lost a game at 21 min, because they straight pushed mid with baron buff, cant barely defend against that. Baron shouldnt be that easy to get!
Edit: we were at drag, our jg died, we recalled to heal, but by the time we reached there (we almost got there) they already got it
Darkslayer8535 votesThe spells should be buffed and not the raw stats. The spells currently deal next to no damage and there's no incentive to dodge any of them besides the knockup.
Marshbouy27 votesIf they managed to 5 man baron at 21-22 min, why didn't you go get them and kill them?
Melledoneus9 votes
Projectile vomit intensifies
ItsOrval2 votesJungler warding the Baron pit? Where can I get one of those?
Veltox10 votesAgreed i want an actual raid boss instead of a sack of stats that barely takes 40% of your hp.
Knoyle1 votes
How does he drop you to 40%?
That makes... NO sense.
Quite a mystery.
Dr Poro1 votesThe thing with baron is that it's not a PvE game. The boss itself isn't the biggest threat. If the enemy team notices you doing it, they can group around you and punish you easily because the baron hits lower your resistances + you'll be down in HP. If the enemy team is afk, then yes, baron is too easy. Still, I think the game should be balanced around a 5v5, not a 5v0.
Champion Skin1 votesThough the Elder Dragon seems to be a bit to strong compared with Baron... or at least too durable making it take so long to kill it that the enemy has plenty of time to notice and punish the fools doing Elder Dragon
And on top of that I feel like it is less useful then Baron
Dr Poro1 votesElder drake takes longer to kill than Baron, but Baron deals way more damage and reduces your defenses so if your enemy is there to contest, you're in a serious disadvantage at Baron.
Veltox1 votesNah it would be a lot more interesting to watch a baron fight if the baron had some cc besides that horrible knockup or actual damage.
YCitizenSnipsY8 votesAre you implying that taking an objective with 5 people at 20 minutes is easy? Your team had to be getting smashed for them to just take baron at 20 minutes with all 5 people.
S0kaX6 votesI agree. I saw somebody that SOLOED baron at minute 30 i think WITH ONLY 4 ITEMS, and he still got away with more than half HP.
ManiacalCoyote1 votesWeedwick can do that. BORK, Bloodrazor, Guinsoo's, and Greaves.
GULAG 4 U2 votesTrashttrox could do that too.
VoidStaresBack3 votesPretty much any draintank could pull it off, because they heal so much from fighting it and often don't build resistance items until later so the Baron's resistance shred doesn't reduce their effective health by as much.
statelesskiller2 votesolaf is built properly can as well.
ive seen fed out of there mind volibears do it just because of there passive.
but it still takes a LOOOOONG FUCKING TIME because there drain tanks. they will survive the baron but they wont kill it very fast. but having 4 other people applying pressure can be pretty good for you
Coperos1 votesI can 20 minute Barron in less then 25 seconds as long as I have a tank with me. The one thing 
is good for "now-a-days".
Bagguette4 votesIf you 5 man baron at the 20 minute mark almost all of you should have half health, its very risky to do that baron unless you got an ace.
Drugoth4 votesHonestly if the enemy team is getting an uncontested baron at ~20 minutes then you didn't deserve to win. Attempting baron at 20 minutes is a death sentence if the other team is paying attention. Baron debuffs your team a lot and brings you all quite low allowing the enemy team to swoop in and ace you as well as finish off the baron themselves.
TLDR; Baron doesn't need a buff, your team should have contested the Baron attempt and they didn't. End of story.
The Deckowner4 votesIt's not baron that is weak, but damage creep that is too strong.
Buff Jax please3 votesI mean I duo it at 20 mins with my top laner.
khorney19 votesThat's the point you shouldn't be able to do that
Buff Jax please2 votesWhy not? If the enemy is dumb enough to not ward it then you should be able to punish them. A single ward (or some game sense) is enough to prevent this from happening. For example if the enemy has someone like Nunu, Jax, Udyr, or Master Yi jungle you have to be aware of that threat they offer. That is one of the reasons to pick those kind of junglers over teamfight oriented (tanky) ones like Amumu, Zac, Gragas, etc...
HateDaddy4 votes[{quoted}](name=Buff Jax please,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vnvBlFTl,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-05T14:03:13.261+0000)
Why not? If the enemy is dumb enough to not ward it then you should be able to punish them. A single ward (or some game sense) is enough to prevent this from happening. For example if the enemy has someone like Nunu, Jax, Udyr, or Master Yi jungle you have to be aware of that threat they offer. That is one of the reasons to pick those kind of junglers over teamfight oriented (tanky) ones like Amumu, Zac, Gragas, etc...
Idk, I can't see a duo Baron at 20 minutes unless a top laner is like 
who can press R and burn it down with max% hp damage or 
with his healing. I have my doubts, someone would have to be pretty fed or build specifically to do it, which would be an easy catch.
ManiacalCoyote2 votesNasus's R is capped at 240 damage per target per second.
However, 
with 
, 
, 
, 
can solo it.
RespectPlus2 votesi've solo baron with 
at around ~25min
The Yetii Rider13 votesNunu deals 1000 true damage every 10 seconds to Baron Nashor while healing himself constantly. Coupled with 2 Smites (one at the start and one fifteen seconds later) and duoing baron at 20-21 minutes is very very easy.
Nunu is the special case here, but he's certainly worth mentioning over someone like Nasus or Mundo.
Spoofghoul1 votesyea he can essentially deal 1/3th of barons hp in true damage nukes
and boost his dps ally
i dont really see a nunu solo it, well maybe if he has enough time
but duo it in a reasnoble timeframe sure
There are plenty of duo's who can take baron the moment it spawns though
like malzahar heimer neither will take any damage because the pets will tank baron
The Yetii Rider1 votesNunu can solo Baron when he has about 4000 health and around 150-200 armor and MR.
Usually 30ish minutes. Depends how fed you are.
TruckFump20161 votesIdk, I can't see a duo Baron at 20 minutes unless a top laner is like
Nah. Attack speed junglers / laners are the best at it. Like if you had tryndamere and udyr or something...you could do it easily.
Olaf and warwick....or something similar.
Vaelentino1 votesIdk, I can't see a duo Baron at 20 minutes unless a top laner is like
just to comment on the susan suggestion... I can't solo baron until I have nearly 600ish stacks... I can start it and hope my bronze team realizes they need to show up within 2 minutes if i have about 400-450 tho
statelesskiller1 voteswho was the jungler and top laner to actually manage that
iamthegoatofwar2 votesanyone with non capped %hp damage that was tanky.
Melledoneus1 votesShen...?
statelesskiller1 votesshens is capped
infact i dont think there IS any non capped %hp damage
Naomi CoffeeGoat1 votesRelease Kindred had no cap. It was hilarious.
iamthegoatofwar1 votesI saw a kindred on youtube literally one shot baron once.
MonkeyMadness2 votesElder dragon is so much harder to kill than baron, and this is just not ok.
Aeszarck3 votesElder dragon is so much harder to kill than baron, and this is just not ok.
Why not? Elder Dragon does less damage. Elder Dragon is more of a Warden, whereas Baron Nashor is a Juggernaut.
MonkeyMadness4 votes...Do not endorse this bullshit "class update" shit...there are tanks, dps, and supports. That's it...
Not to mention, the dragon buff is supposed to be a huge offensive teamfight buff, but the thing can't fight back. Baron, on the other hand, is a seiging buff, but the thing reks you unless you burn it fast.
50000000000000003 votes...Do not endorse this bullshit "class update" shit...there are tanks, dps, and supports. That's it...
But... why not? There are so much more nuance in the new categorization. If you want a peel tank, you would probably pick Maokai over Malphite, for example.
MonkeyMadness3 votesBecause Riot thinks juggernauts perform some unique function, when in fact all they really need to be are tanks. If riot balances champs as "juggernauts" then they seem to end up with WAY too much damage for how durable they are. Take Darius for instance. INCREDIBLE damage with his passive bleed and the 5 stack ad boost and huge execute power with his ult, meanwhile he can build full tank after his cleaver and rely on %missing health/target hit heal on his q to make him virtually unplayable unless HEAVILY focused (and if you end up focusing a darius, you probably just got aced by the enemy team's actual dps).
Champion Skin1 votesThe damage Baron does isn't nearly as trouble some as the durability of the Elder Dragon as it takes too long to kill meaning that there is a much greater risk of being able to take it without the enemy collapsing on the other team and possibly trapping/killing them
And for the most part I feel like Baron is more powerful/useful as well
