@Riot, context on Shyvana nerfs?

SnugglePuggle94·Mar 9, 2016·7 votes·1,309 views

To me, this seems overboard. You are hitting her laning and jungling phase, which seems to be too much.

Twin Bite (Q) second hit's % of AD bonus physical damage lowered to 40/55/70/85/100% from 80/85/90/95/100%
Burnout (W) no longer deals extra 20% damage vs monsters.

So, her jungle clear is nerfed because her W doesn't do extra damage to monsters. Most Shyvana players start with W! Why not nerf it to deal 15% or even 10% damage to monsters instead of taking it out completely?

I'm not sure about her Q nerf, since the late game damage stays the same, just is a hit to her early game. That will reduce her trading power, especially in lane.

Can you explain these nerfs, please? (On a different note, I personally love the Kha and Karma buffs on the PBE right now. Just this one I'm confused).

24 Comments

EcchiOtakuTMMar 9, 20166 votes

Yea even if she's at a 55% win rate and 10% play rate they nerfed way too much at once.

Hit her early gameon Q, on top of hurting her clear with W

They should have just nerfed W first and see how it goes next patch before hitting her Q's early game too.

Bladerunner7777Mar 9, 20162 votes

she's op

AIQMar 9, 20161 votes

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EcchiOtakuTMMar 9, 20163 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Shyvana

Shyv is at a 55%+ win rate and 10%+ play rate, she needed a nerf. This one was just too much.

AIQMar 9, 20163 votes

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http://champion.gg/champion/Shyvana

Shyv is at a 55%+ win rate and 10%+ play rate, she needed a nerf. This one was just too much.

Udyr has a 54 where is his nerf or is 55 the mark?

EcchiOtakuTMMar 9, 20161 votes

Udyr needs a nerf still ofc they're still trying nerfs on him cause udyr is the only champ in league who's viable in any build path.

Usually nerfs/buffs are going to happen to:

champions outside the 50%-54% win rate if play rate is under 10% Champions outside the 48%-52% win rate if play rate is above 10%

Outside of that sometimes they're nerfed because of how powerful they are in certain compositions(which mostly pros can actually pull off/pre-mades) or in another region.

Bans also tie in, but I forgot how much of a ban rate they must be at to have some effect on getting nerfing, (I think it was 80%+ ban rate not sure.) But ban rate tells riot they need to watch those champs closely and might nerf them.

Lastly is random spur of the moment stuff. (Like xin getting a buff outta nowhere with no compensation nerf until a patch later....) (Or like items)

Udyr will eventually get another nerf because his win rate is pretty high, play rate isn't too bad, but I doubt his ban rate is low, and he has been used alot in other regions/pro play with great success.

Sorry if you didn't really care for all that information words just flowed out of me..... And now i'm copy pasting this cause this is pretty useful.

Bladerunner7777Mar 9, 20161 votes

They aren't "nerfing her top lane", they're nerfing her jungle.

Yes, Shyvana used to be a top laner, but for a while now she has been played exclusively in the jungle (92% role rate), so she's balanced around her jungling ability.

Her Q still hits twice, it still activates E twice, it still activates bork twice, it still stacks sated.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 9, 20161 votes

Yes they are nerfing her top lane, bud. Most top laners max her Q, and since the nerf is a hit to her early damage, that hurts her early trading power a lot.

Bladerunner7777Mar 9, 20162 votes

Well they're also nerfing her support and adc and mid

They're nerfing shyvana

Slamurai JackMar 9, 20162 votes

Shyvana top is already garbage tier; Leona has a higher winrate top than Shyvana does. Getting nerfed when she's already at 41% in top lane won't make any difference for her there.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 9, 20162 votes

Oh shut up. I got to level 4 mastery going top lane with Shyvana, and the Q nerf is nerfing her laning power a considerable amount. It will make a big difference.

Slamurai JackMar 9, 20162 votes

She's already a terrible top laner and you're already borderline trolling just by picking her there.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 9, 20162 votes

Wow. She's a great top laner, maybe not in this meta with all the ADCs, but still I love her top lane.

I am not trolling, you rude person. You seem like a troll more than anyone here.

Slamurai JackMar 9, 20162 votes

Shyvana top has a 41.5% winrate. Leona top has a 44% winrate. Leona is literally a better top laner than Shyvana now. And yet, people get mad at me for playing her there. I don't see how you get a free pass. If you pick Shyvana top, you're not trying your hardest to win. Is that trolling? Debatable. But don't pretend she's good there; she's statistically the worst top laner in the game that regularly sees play in that lane.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 9, 20162 votes

It's because people have found the craze and success of playing her jungle that her top lane "winrate" is so bad. There are still plenty of people including me that love taking her there, and mind you, actually play to win. Stop being a rude, assuming jerk. She is good in certain matchups.

Slamurai JackMar 10, 20161 votes

Name literally 1 matchup against a meta top laner where Shyvana is good. I'm waiting.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 10, 20162 votes

I haven't played her top in awhile since I've been working on my Irelia and Kennen mastery, anyhow I know one matchup I liked with her was against Gnar top.

Slamurai JackMar 10, 20162 votes

{quoted} against Gnar top.

LOL.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 10, 20161 votes

Among others. I've beaten Darius, Mundo with her. And more.

SearnoMar 9, 20161 votes

Shyvana's been a champ that I've loved since like season 4 I think, and admittedly when sated devourer came into play it broke her because of her q applying double on hits anyways, combined with a third hit that greatly reduces overall time Q comes back up as well.

Shyvana's main strength though is how fast she can clear the jungles, in my opinion even though she's a sated jungler she doesn't have the whole never ganking and farming till 20 problem because of how fast she can clear camps and she'll always come out maybe like 1 or 2 levels ahead of the enemy jungler if you just focus on powerfarming and ganking. I don't know if I'd call her op but by champ gg statistics it very much shows how strong she is, so her getting a nerf might bring her back down a bit in win rate (probably not below 50%).

Honestly though the q damage is way too high for just building sated and botrk, and shyvs clear times ramp up hard, so it makes sense.

SnugglePuggle94Mar 9, 20161 votes

They are already nerfing Devourer. Just leave Shyvana at that, no need to nerf her too. It's like Sej all over again.

This really hurts Shyv's laning phase as most players do the most damage with her Q. That is too much, in my opinion.

SearnoMar 9, 20161 votes

What's the devourer nerf?

I only heard about the shyv nerf through the forums so

Idk how I feel about this though I feel like next patch I might need to a find a new jungler :'(

and I've been playing shyv since s4. The way riot is going about it is nerfing her early game and the real "problem" is shyv's strong late game where she can just build tanky and still do a ton of damage, but she isn't a yi so I don't get why they're trying to give her nerfs on her early game when her late game isn't the most terrifying thing. I'd be more okay with nerfs if they just reduced her damage late game or something idk.

YCitizenSnipsYMar 10, 20161 votes

She has been broken several time due to various meta changes. FF, Cinderhulk, Devour, not to mention super tank top Shyvana. The champion just needs a rework. Her kit is to simple for to ever have good numbers.

HadesBladesMar 9, 20161 votes

Sated Shyvana is very hard to deal with, and isn't fun when you are being taken down by a champion that only needs sated and titanic to damage and sustain burst champions. Shyvana has always been strong with her mix damage, the only real way to stop her is to CC her in a way so that she can't reach your carries. The problem is now health items have been buffed, and her ability to withstand burst of cc and damage keep in her a constant +1. Her early game is fine, I don't mid her powering through it, but its her mid game where she can be a monster off of one kill.