Marksmen have too many defensive options

your own logic of making ghostblade a "defensive item" because of movement speed.

swain with is absolutly rediculous. are you kidding me. you just want to complain about adcs. don't act like its about itemization. its not. the reason adc's need items that give small defensive stats are so they don't get one shot by ap mages that have the most broken items in the game.

You are right they do have too many defensive items for the furthest safest role in the game and you have barely scratched the surface as any lifesteal you get turns any damage item you get into defense too. and they dont have to sacrifice damage to get the safety and last item of choice people seem to forget exists oh yea more healing nearly max cdr - (It was max cdr up until couple patches ago even though it wasnt supposed to be or the item itself converted wrong because I bought Essence Reaver and would have 20 % cdr and bought phantom dancer after it for 40% cdr and I abused it for a good amount of time while writing it on the boards where i was told i was wrong by people who wouldn't even test what i was saying while I was looking at the 40% cdr and it was quietly fixed with out ever acknowledging the problem now I never did the math to see if I had 40% cdr or had 30% cdr labeled as 40% but 40% was there in the bar and I don't own cdr runes and rarely use cdr mastery out side of support and assassins.) -max mana if they auto attack anything that can be auto-attacked unless rng doesn't favor them (not that i think that the crit system is truly random using the chance of crit per attack nor that the chance in crit chance cant be completely eliminated and can only be done on a role so safe and still threatening from range ) and healing faster than anything can kill them while being protected by a team and have first hit while kiting before melee champions can even get to them and most have dashes movement speed buffs and or cc (yes slows are cc and adcs seem to have heavy slows too)

this post is stupid . ad devensive items are fine. and there are just as many defensive ap items

Despite how many defensive items adcs have they still can get one shot by most assassins if they position incorrectly. and remember qss no longer removes zed ult and things like that. so the amount of items that have defensive uses for adcs is far outclassed by every other class. the truth of the matter is that at the current state of the game every class does a ton of damage including tanks. so you have to build defensively as an adc or you run the risk of getting blown up before the fight can even start.

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even their go-to starter item is defensive.

What fkn ADC builds ?

Probably because they die in 2 sec.

so have you ever met this person named talon... he does this thing where he one shots the adc in less then 1 second. its pretty hard to stop.

unless you play adc you can't comment on how difficult it is to actually stay alive. if you make one wrong step in a team fight you can die instantly.