Fiora's Grand Challenge should end when Fiora dies

The Bearded Bard·Oct 2, 2015·254 votes·6,316 views

If you kill fiora when she ults you, the challenge should end. You won the challenge, why should she be rewarded just because her team picked up the kill after she died?

A few of you aren't getting it, and instead of answering with the same answer individually I'm just gonna edit this and put it here. I'm not saying the heal shouldn't go off if someone else on Fiora's team secures the kill, I'm saying if Fiora dies before the target or before all of the vitals are hit the challenge should end.

72 Comments

Captain AishiOct 2, 201591 votes

how she feels like currently

Fiora I seek a worthy opponent in an honorable duel... Get him boyz! Caitlyn Gragas Karthus Alistar Yes ma'am!

gubigubiOct 2, 201513 votes

This is gold and so true lol

MatezoideOct 3, 20152 votes

Hahaha.

This reminds me of Dota. Legion Commander's ult Taunts a target, and they are forced to trade Auto-Attacks (No abilites allowed) for around 5 seconds, with the winner getting a permanent damage boost. Fittingly, the skill is named ''Duel''.

It is, naturally, used almost entirely when Legion Commander has allies nearby, since the ult does not prevent outside characters from interfering.

Captain AishiOct 3, 201511 votes

http://orig05.deviantart.net/6acc/f/2014/088/3/8/dota2__the_duel_by_phsueh-d7c6n1u.jpg

HailianOct 3, 20151 votes

I logged on to make a comment about Legion Commanders ult being alot like this but actually fair, in terms of and as you said the winner gets perma damage, yes, that means her ult can give the opponent perma damage, so atleast theres a tradeoff. I honestly consider LC that hero J4 should have been.

Pale PirateOct 3, 20151 votes

I am laughing so much.

MatezoideOct 3, 201512 votes

+1, this is just silly.

The heal basically works in that her allies are in awe of her amazing skill and it raises their morale for having such a badass on their team, so lets consider this scenario:

Fiora Challenges MasterYi and gets dunked because she is a nooblord, but this turns him into.....

Garen DISGUSTING VILLAIN! DEMACIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And then....heal.

Lux JarvanIV Lucian Wow Fiora you totally kicked his ass! Your skill is amazing, our morale is through the roof!

A Superb VillainOct 2, 20156 votes

That would make it a win-more ultimate; useless if she's behind, pointless if she's ahead.

Baron of BreadOct 2, 20153 votes

Not sure about that, she just has to be alive when you go down. That shouldn't be that hard unless she ulted a tank, and she should be punished for blowing that ult on a tank and not being able to follow through with it.

Hello I am BirdOct 3, 20151 votes

If she's ahead, this nerf will help her and her team get somewhat behind again. If they can focus Fiora and make sure that whoever had been targetted gets out of the teamfight until she's dead, said target shouldn't have to stay out of the teamfight for fear of dying and becoming the fucking fountain of youth for the enemy team.

TrylobyteOct 2, 20153 votes

Agree with this. It would also fit with her duelist theme perfectly.

BRBGTGBOWFLEXOct 3, 20152 votes

I agree.

Actually I'll take it further.

If she loses the challenge, an AOE field should appear above her that heals all of your team.

The Bearded BardOct 3, 201516 votes

Again, giving power to the enemy with your ULTIMATE ability is a terrible idea. Let's stick with making it so if Fiora dies the challenge ends.

Hello I am BirdOct 3, 20151 votes

Bard ?

Pale PirateOct 3, 20152 votes

Suicidal plays don't count.

Hello I am BirdOct 3, 20151 votes

Dawh, so sad item 3070

For CarthageOct 3, 20152 votes

Think of it like this:

Fiora's the captain of the duel.

You're the captain on the other side.

You want your team to help you, clearly.

Consequentially, Fiora will want her team to help her.

So now it's just a duel between teams. Have fun.

Unless... you'd rather you and Fiora gain a Poppy-style ult where only you two can harm each other?

SythraellOct 3, 20153 votes

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fyi u mean your

For CarthageOct 3, 20159 votes

... No I don't.

You are the captain on the other side.

Your the captain on the other side.

Do you see the difference?

Did you pass second grade, or just sit in class and eat paint chips?

Auz the RipperOct 3, 20151 votes

The lead make them tasty

firsttimerop666Oct 3, 20152 votes

grammar nazies, grammar nazies everywhere,

XenileOct 3, 20151 votes

Bruh, a duel is literally only between two individuals. At least google something before you make yourself sound dumb.

For CarthageOct 4, 20151 votes

Well fuckhead, the OP is arguing that it's not sticking to a fucking challenge-style ult with it staying after Fiora dies. So if you want it to be a legitimate one-on-one duel to the definition of the word, then by all goddamn means, request Riot to change it so now you have to 1v1 Fiora when she ults you, no help.

Have fun. Tell me how it goes. Or you can stop being a dicktard.

foristOct 3, 20152 votes

Didn't know that was how it works. I agree it should only trigger if fiora wins. What kind of duelist gets rewarded for pressing r and then letting her team mob an enemy?

Dar RaksadaOct 4, 20151 votes

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Didn't know that was how it works. I agree it should only trigger if fiora wins. What kind of duelist gets rewarded for pressing r and then letting her team mob an enemy?

She has to hit one vital though:p

foristOct 4, 20151 votes

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She has to hit one vital though:p

My bad m8, never read the patch notes, because shes permabanned in ranked matches for my elo.

Dar RaksadaOct 4, 20151 votes

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My bad m8, never read the patch notes, because shes permabanned in ranked matches for my elo.

Np, I was half joking anyway.

It's really frustrating as a Fiora when you ult someone but then your veigar decides they hate them though:P

(Yes, that does mean the Fiora misplayed, but that doesn't make it less annoying)

Sidenote, you can just item 3140 her ultimate to deny her the vitals+heal.

foristOct 4, 20151 votes

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Np, I was half joking anyway.

It's really frustrating as a Fiora when you ult someone but then your veigar decides they hate them though:P

(Yes, that does mean the Fiora misplayed, but that doesn't make it less annoying)

Sidenote, you can just her ultimate to deny her the vitals+heal.

Fiora and veigar on the same team. That's a whole pile of nope for me. I'll qss that fiora ult then get stunned by viegar or the other way around. Either way im fuckd.

TerchioOct 3, 20152 votes

I don't like where Fiora is right now, but it's not because of Grand Challenge. While it may make more sense thematically for her ultimate to end after she dies, that thing is already hard enough to proc fully, anyways. No one has to jump through that many hoops to deal their damage/utility. The thing I don't like about her is the amount of damage she deals from her AD scaling, much of which is true damage. I could care less about the healing once she finally bites the dust. At least she's gone once she perishes, unlike some folks like Trynda, Yorick, and Karthus.

Basically, Fiora's ultimate makes her current damage easier to predict, and that's about it on the challenge. Meanwhile, you compare that to the other duelist, Poppy , and she doesn't take damage from any other source (while you still do), can soak tower damage for the team, and even gets a pure damage boost meanwhile. While Poppy doesn't get the "flair" at the end, I think any more cutting from Fiora's ultimate would leave it being quite dull and useless. While Poppy is seen as unhealthy for the game, and possibly a poor comparison, you have to realize that Fiora's ultimate is really quite bad. If the rest of her kit wasn't so strong, she'd be in a terrible position right now. I'd suggest instead of increasing Lunge's cooldown on hits that don't hit a vital/kill a unit, or even make her duel give a different effect, such as a damage decreasing aura (from demoralization).

And really, while Fiora does die before the effect, and therefore lose the duel, if her target dies later, it's still a dead icon, like if your Achilles/Hector (Battle of Troy) died in battle. There's no reason the ultimate still shouldn't go off, in my eyes.

A Prop PhoneOct 4, 20152 votes

Soon Fiora will be back to her old state so it doesn't matter. They are constantly nerfing her until she isn't played anymore.

Just look at her win rate, not even 50% anymore. Even old Fiora was consistent around 53% win rate.

You guys are crying for nerfs on a rework that is actually worse than the original champ.

RalanrOct 2, 20151 votes

As in she gets the kill?

The Bearded BardOct 2, 20157 votes

No, as in she challenges you, you kill her, her team kills you right after.

RalanrOct 2, 20154 votes

...why should that not happen?

The Bearded BardOct 2, 201533 votes

Because the point of the ability is that it's a 'Grand Challenge' from Fiora. If she dies in the middle of the challenge before the one challenged dies or has the vitals taken out, Fiora loses the challenge, so she shouldn't get the reward.

RalanrOct 2, 20153 votes

But what's the reward she's getting? That's what's confusing me. So far it sounds like you get piled on by the enemy team after you 1v1 her, which isn't out of the ordinary.

The Bearded BardOct 2, 201537 votes

The reward she's getting is the massive team heal. What I'm saying is the team heal shouldn't go off if Fiora fails the challenge, and I think dying before the challenge is finished should count as failing it.

RalanrOct 2, 201517 votes

Ahh, yes that seems reasonable.

Lady HammerlockOct 3, 20153 votes

you know what i always wanted for riot to nerf fiora make it so the unstruck angles of the vital areas heal for half this rewards fioras for hitting more vitals but punishes them for only hitting 1 and proceed to rape the opponent

Sir FuzziOct 3, 20155 votes

making the heal more or less powerful based on vitals hit is not a terrible idea

it would make the challenging game mechanic, well, challenging

bradOct 3, 20151 votes

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But what's the reward she's getting? That's what's confusing me. So far it sounds like you get piled on by the enemy team after you 1v1 her, which isn't out of the ordinary.

u dont get rewarded for dying

RalanrOct 3, 20154 votes

Yes I get the picture Brad. I got it 4 hours ago.

bradOct 3, 20154 votes

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Yes I get the picture Brad. I got it 4 hours ago.

how do u know my name

Hello I am BirdOct 3, 20152 votes

http://33.media.tumblr.com/be850eab6d4ee7c6d994aa9029865699/tumblr_inline_mqm0g5pYMr1qz4rgp.gif

LadyRenlyOct 2, 201511 votes

{quoted}

...why should that not happen?

Fiora isn't a support, if she dies she shouldn't be janna ulting post mortem

Dragon Fang ShotOct 2, 20151 votes

Maybe make it so that if Fiora dies, then whoever she challenged actually wins and gets a buff or something? Not necessarily the AoE heal, but something since they did win the duel.

The Bearded BardOct 2, 20154 votes

Nooooope. That's giving power to the enemy just for using your ult. I'm not saying the enemy should win something, I'm just saying Fiora shouldn't win anything either if she loses the challenge.