was cinderhulk nerfed to hard?

PhantomGG·Feb 13, 2016·1 votes·264 views

So while warrior, dev and glave, im sorry magus 3.0 have gotten numerous buffs, cinderulk feels like the worse one out of all of them.

So I was playing jungle gragas today, someone who is seen as a "pick cinderhulk or else you are trolilng" jungler, and today i chose the blue gem instead of green, and you know what? I was still just as tanky as i normmally was with cinderhulk, I was tanky while doing tons of damage. So I find now I am probabbly gonna build blue gem on the majority of my ap tank junglers and just go full tank after that. I really feel cinderhulk is no longer a worthwhile item to get.

Plus the majority of tank junglers do ap damage, zac, sejuani, gragas, ekko, elise, and most of them have good base stats, so the majority of them will actually bennifit more off of blue gems amazeing stats and burst, while going full tank after blue gem.

So yeah, anyone share my feelings?

7 Comments

BLACK REALM GODFeb 13, 20161 votes

Yes. Get sunfire instead because it got buffed.

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

i also agree with this, cinderhulk was always a lesser version of sunfire when it came to the passive, but now sunfire completely outshines it.

BLACK REALM GODFeb 13, 20161 votes

Reason being you get armor in the build. It grants late game purpose because it does more damage to champs and is only 75 gold more. You also get more clear potential by the 10+ .4/level increase in damage per second even if it's only 50% more effective for minions and monsters its still more effective than 100% of 15+.6/level sunfire is 50% of 25+1/level. big difference

BLACK REALM GODFeb 13, 20161 votes

Not to mention a flat 100 more hp as opposed to cinderhulks 15% bonus hp.

SohleksFeb 13, 20161 votes

Cinderhulk is actually lacking as a first item. I think that's the reasoning of its latest change to infuse it with earlier health at the cost of its %hp ratio.

Its burn for pvp had to be GUTTED ages ago.

A regular hp/resist item seriously outdoes it for a tank choice. I remember I would rush item 3065 on Mundo instead of cinderhulk. With buff to visage I do not believe you even need regen synergy with it for it to outperform cinderhulk as a first item choice. So long as you really do need that MR.

So... why rush cinderhulk..? if it provides no powerspike? Especially with echoes being super strong (so much mobility)

MR itemization is very powerful in comparison, both mid tier and final tier... Now armor items are different and have a problem of requiring completion to see significant effects and lack that oomph short of 3k gold.. Armor defense is different in that you typically have to invest into it more the way ad dmg scales.

Resists + HP is key for maximum effective life. Always. Yeah we don't prolong purchasing both beyond 1 item anymore in 2016. Raw hp items are being retuned into offensive juggernaut items

PhantomGGFeb 13, 20161 votes

looks like the majority of the user base agrees X_X

MadraFeb 13, 20161 votes

Considering that the league is inundated with new damage procs since the original cinderhulk nerf, reverting some of the nerfs might be a step to getting the game back in a good place. So much has changed though, that it's really hard to know how to buff cinderhulk without bringing back the cinderhulk top meta; especially in combination with some of the new juggernaut items.