I like being able to queue with anywhere from 1 to 4 friends.
I don't however like getting my secondary role 95% of the time. But that's just spaghetti code.
Nonetheless, am I alone in liking dynamic queue?
Edit: Just noting here that I play solo 3 games out of 4.
iCuddles7 votesDynamic Queue is for boosted animals. [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Pierce The Veal2 votesDynamic Queue is for boosted animals. [zombie-brand-mindblown]
..?
iCuddles2 votesSimply means people who play Dynamic Queue will simply decay and lose game when they enter Solo Queue. Hence, "BOOSTED ANIMAL"
Pierce The Veal3 votesSimply means people who play Dynamic Queue will simply decay and lose game when they enter Solo Queue. Hence, "BOOSTED ANIMAL"
Circlejerk harder then.
iCuddles2 votesJust taking a look at your match history on OP.GG. Seems to be TRUE. HAHA
Pierce The Veal4 votesJust taking a look at your match history on OP.GG. Seems to be TRUE. HAHA
I mean playing with other people who are silver V makes me boosted amirite?
MasterSomething6 votesNo, you aren't. And I'm a solo player...
Pierce The Veal4 votesNo, you aren't. And I'm a solo player...
Well that's what I am about 75% of the time.
Hitaro3 votesPeople who are bad at the game and need to get boosed to higher ranks like it.
In general, no, Dynamic queue sucks if you enjoy the game for what it is.
Pierce The Veal3 votesPeople who are bad at the game and need to get boosed to higher ranks like it.
In general, no, Dynamic queue sucks if you enjoy the game for what it is.
I guess the game is all about people playing alone with 4 other alone people then.
ßurst2 votesI neutral on it i dont care for it or solo q very much people are over reacting about everything and stating problems that don't even affect them since they are not dia 3+ and it would be the same exact thing for them if they were playing solo q.
Pierce The Veal3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Ki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-04-14T01:32:44.839+0000)
I neutral on it i dont care for it or solo q very much people are over reacting about everything and stating problems that don't even affect them since they are not dia 3+ and it would be the same exact thing for them if they were playing solo q.
I agree honestly. I haven't noticed any difference in my solo queue, and besides being able to be with friends, I haven't noticed much of an increase in winrate when in dynamic queue.
Hinagiku332 votesFYI: Primary and Secondary roles are the new Champ Select and have nothing at all to do with Dynamic Queue.
Playing with friends is fine for Normals, but makes for a terrible Ranked system since being able to play with the same people every game and potentially coordinate by being in the same room or through Skype is a massive advantage over people that have to play with different teammates every game and don't have voice chat to communicate strategy to set up plays.
I'm glad you're having fun, but Rank currently means less than winning in Bot matches at the moment. You may as well be playing Normals anyway because there is no difference in competitiveness now.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fiora All Night,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2016-04-15T12:55:08.761+0000)
FYI: Primary and Secondary roles are the new Champ Select and have nothing at all to do with Dynamic Queue.
Playing with friends is fine for Normals, but makes for a terrible Ranked system since being able to play with the same people every game and potentially coordinate by being in the same room or through Skype is a massive advantage over people that have to play with different teammates every game and don't have voice chat to communicate strategy to set up plays.
I'm glad you're having fun, but Rank currently means less than winning in Bot matches at the moment. You may as well be playing Normals anyway because there is no difference in competitiveness now.
I mean ranked already was like that.
And no, I didn't mistake the new champ select with dynamic queue. I don't rescind my position that the new champ select's primary and secondary spaghetti code is making ranked worse.
GundayMonday1 votesYeah dynamic queue is better overall, but Riot needs to fix a few glaring problems. Like making sure you get your primary role at least 70% of the time and long queue times for high mmr. Aside from that, it's nice to have less toxicity every game, and more people on the same page.
Pierce The Veal1 votesYeah dynamic queue is better overall, but Riot needs to fix a few glaring problems. Like making sure you get your primary role at least 70% of the time and long queue times for high mmr. Aside from that, it's nice to have less toxicity every game, and more people on the same page.
I swear I had mid primary, and top secondary, and got top 10 games in a row, not including the dodges (if I did it would be more like 30) That's freaking bullshit.
GundayMonday1 votesYeah, same. Used to play jungle/support. Got sick of supporting 95% of the time when I'm trying to be a jungle main. Jungle/Top now, get each role ~50/50. Would love a fix to that. I mean, I KNOW how to code a fix for that. Not hard.
Pierce The Veal1 votesYeah, same. Used to play jungle/support. Got sick of supporting 95% of the time when I'm trying to be a jungle main. Jungle/Top now, get each role ~50/50. Would love a fix to that. I mean, I KNOW how to code a fix for that. Not hard.
I know how to code fixes for that.
Yes fixes, there's literally so many ways it could be done.
And I sure as hell know that there isn't that much more demand for mid over top lane.
The Queen Viper1 votesI like being able to queue with anywhere from 1 to 4 friends.
Nonetheless, am I alone in liking dynamic queue?
Where do you need DQ when you already can do all that in Normals?
I don't however like getting my secondary role 95% of the time. But that's just spaghetti code.
And this has nothing to do with DQ whatsoever.
Sukishoo1 votesNormals can't bring people a ranking though. They are feeling more use to it since these "ranks" matter so much in their minds.
DrCyanide1 votesNormals is where you're not trying your hardest. You're trying a new build, or a new champion, or a new role, or all at once. And your opponents are doing the same.
Dynamic Queue allows for small groups of friends to try their hardest, knowing their opponents are going the same, and see where things end up.
Honestly, Smurfs in Ranked are a bigger problem right now than Dynamic Queue is. All of these people complaining about boosted players seem to forget that it'd be impossible to boost them without Smurfs...
Anomander1 votesNo I like Dynamic queue. However I also understand why people want solo queue. To me the best way to resolve this is keep the way we pick roles but limit it to solo/duo.
Pierce The Veal1 votesNo I like Dynamic queue. However I also understand why people want solo queue. To me the best way to resolve this is keep the way we pick roles but limit it to solo/duo.
I think even trio is ok as long as both teams have one. Want to rank with 3 friends? Deal with the queue times. 4 man irks people though.
trash sion1 votesIf you're a casual, then Dynamic is great. However, if you're truly competitive, then you can't like Solo Queue. They don't coincide. Dynamic Queue ensures without fail that your ELO isn't a true representation of skill because so many people get boosted above where they should be.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Azuk the Jungler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-04-14T17:51:17.081+0000)
If you're a casual, then Dynamic is great. However, if you're truly competitive, then you can't like Solo Queue. They don't coincide. Dynamic Queue ensures without fail that your ELO isn't a true representation of skill because so many people get boosted above where they should be.
I can see that.
Then again I can also see Dynamic Queue dropping people below where they individually need to be.
The Whamboozler1 votesNo, you're not. People who tend to play in groups love it. It's solo queue players who tend to hate it.
Pierce The Veal1 votesNo, you're not. People who tend to play in groups love it. It's solo queue players who tend to hate it.
Well I used to be primarily solo. And some of my solo friends also really like dynamic queue, or at least don't see the difference between solo and dynamic.
Critmaster Garen1 votesthe problem isnt that dynamic que exists.
the problem is that solo que doesnt.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2016-04-14T18:06:11.044+0000)
the problem isnt that dynamic que exists.
the problem is that solo que doesnt.
The problem with that is that they can't coexist: they draw on the same players, and you unfortunately need to have a solo player fill the game in a 4 man premade.
The Whamboozler1 votesYep... so Riot pretty much needs to choose if they want to take away the cool toy that premades have (Some of whom aren't even boosters... probably) to save solo players from being second class citizens... OR if they want to just throw solo players under the bus and make playing with premades the "correct" way to play the game.
Pierce The Veal1 votesYep... so Riot pretty much needs to choose if they want to take away the cool toy that premades have (Some of whom aren't even boosters... probably) to save solo players from being second class citizens... OR if they want to just throw solo players under the bus and make playing with premades the "correct" way to play the game.
But let's be honest here, the only way that it's easier to boost using dynamic queue is with a 5 man premade of boosters. And I can guarantee you that would be easy to detect.
I don't see another way someone could "boost" without literally starting a new account, levelling to 30, and queueing with the people he wants to raise the rank of. The inefficiency of which would make it impractical to do.
Troy2426211 votesI vehemently disagree with your position, but I'm not going to down vote it. Frankly, you're entitled to like whatever you please. I would say, however, that it kills Ranked for not only myself but many other avid solo queue Ranked players.
OogieBoogs1 votesI vehemently disagree with your position, but I'm not going to down vote it. Frankly, you're entitled to like whatever you please. I would say, however, that it kills Ranked for not only myself but many other avid solo queue Ranked players.
Explain why it kills it for you. I'm a solo ranked player, and I am rarely affected by dynamic queue premades. Maybe one or two in the 40+ solo games i've played.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Space Man J,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=000d0000,timestamp=2016-04-14T18:11:17.595+0000)
Explain why it kills it for you. I'm a solo ranked player, and I am rarely affected by dynamic queue premades. Maybe one or two in the 40+ solo games i've played.
The queue shouldn't be affecting matches as much as it does now. Playing against premades when I'm playing alone immediately gives me a disadvantage in terms of communication, familiarity with my allies' tendencies and gives them a significant strategic advantage.
Furthermore, I'm limited to type chatting that is often ignored or overlooked, they quite likely are voice chatting. If a player in their premade is particularly skilled, they can intentionally focus on getting him or her fed, whereas I'm at the mercy of what my team decides they want to do.
They are significantly less likely to have a rager, AFK or feeder because they invited their team. I'm at the mercy of my team's competency, ISP and patience.
Because of ALL the aforementioned advantages, it is significantly easier to translate a lead into a win and carry a game while in a premade, and much more difficult to outplay a premade as a solo queue player.
All in all, it's a casual queue being used in a competitive format. If you want to play with friends, we had Ranked 5s. Now, solo queue players have to deal with all the bullshit. As I said, the queue should NOT be influencing matches and giving pre-game advantages this substantial.
OogieBoogs1 votesThe queue shouldn't be affecting matches as much as it does now. Playing against premades when I'm playing alone immediately gives me a disadvantage in terms of communication, familiarity with my allies' tendencies and gives them a significant strategic advantage.
Furthermore, I'm limited to type chatting that is often ignored or overlooked, they quite likely are voice chatting. If a player in their premade is particularly skilled, they can intentionally focus on getting him or her fed, whereas I'm at the mercy of what my team decides they want to do.
They are significantly less likely to have a rager, AFK or feeder because they invited their team. I'm at the mercy of my team's competency, ISP and patience.
Because of ALL the aforementioned advantages, it is significantly easier to translate a lead into a win and carry a game while in a premade, and much more difficult to outplay a premade as a solo queue player.
All in all, it's a casual queue being used in a competitive format. If you want to play with friends, we had Ranked 5s. Now, solo queue players have to deal with all the bullshit. As I said, the queue should NOT be influencing matches and giving pre-game advantages this substantial.
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but answer me this... In a solo Queue with 4 other random players, does that make the communication any better? Absolutely not. If anything that premade-4 you can guarantee are speaking to each other, so that is 4/5 communicating, where-as in a solo environment, you would have 4 other random people. Do you think those 4 random people are communicating better then a premade 4? no. Do you think that they are more capable of communicating with you then that premade? No. The idea that premades reduces communication is silly. That and Random players care LESS about winning. I know this is a bit odd, but think about it. Those 4 people are queuing together, with the same goal, creating synergy. They care about eachother, and their ranks as a team. Those strangers may have that "I don't care, i don't know any of you anyway" attitude. So it's a double ended blade my friend. I just want a balanced system. I don't care how we get it.
Troy2426211 votes[{quoted}](name=Space Man J,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=000d000000000000,timestamp=2016-04-15T12:04:00.167+0000)
Okay, I understand where you are coming from, but answer me this... In a solo Queue with 4 other random players, does that make the communication any better? Absolutely not. If anything that premade-4 you can guarantee are speaking to each other, so that is 4/5 communicating, where-as in a solo environment, you would have 4 other random people. Do you think those 4 random people are communicating better then a premade 4? no. Do you think that they are more capable of communicating with you then that premade? No. The idea that premades reduces communication is silly. That and Random players care LESS about winning. I know this is a bit odd, but think about it. Those 4 people are queuing together, with the same goal, creating synergy. They care about eachother, and their ranks as a team. Those strangers may have that "I don't care, i don't know any of you anyway" attitude. So it's a double ended blade my friend. I just want a balanced system. I don't care how we get it.
Let's suppose there is a Team A and a Team B. I will be numbering the players 1 through 5, then will be approximating their skill levels. I will list them in descending order.
Team A Player 1: XXXXX Player 2: XXXX Player 3: XXXX Player 5: XXXX Player 4: XXX
Team B Player 4: XXXXX Player 2: XXXX Player 3: XXXX Player 5: XXXX Player 1: XXX
These look pretty fair, at least on paper. Each team has about a XXXX/XXXXX skill level, and the outliers are XXX and XXXXX. However, imagine that each team has a 4 man premade. Suppose player 1 is the solo queue player on each team. How does this affect the game?
Well, the best player on team A is left out of the communication loop, and the worst player on team B is left out. Strategies are almost certainly going to be centered around people in the group. This means that Team B's strategy will likely incorporate getting their best player fed, whereas the focus on team A is probably not on player 1, given (s)he's the stranger. Player 4 can lead his/her team's shotcalling, instruct his/her team and lead them to victory much more easily than player 1 can for his/her team. Furthermore, they will all be familiar with one another's tendencies, whereas player 1 is at the mercy of his team's own competency. While not necessarily true if matched with a 4 man premade, in general, Player 1 is more likely to have a rager, afk or feeder ruin his/her chances of carrying, by virtue of getting random players rather than ones he or she hand picked.
Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest that Player 4's skill level, while equivalent to Player 1's, will ultimately be more likely to impact the match because they can more easily communicate and lead their team. Player 1 will not necessarily be incorporated into strategic planning or leadership.
Compared to the previous queue, there is a much larger capacity for organization, which unfortunately punishes solo queue players harder than facing multiple duo queues. When one team has the organization of a premade, your team being equally organized becomes FAR more necessary. This season exasperates the issue that I agree was always present, making it a far larger deficit for the solo queue player.
OogieBoogs1 votesLet's suppose there is a Team A and a Team B. I will be numbering the players 1 through 5, then will be approximating their skill levels. I will list them in descending order.
Team A Player 1: XXXXX Player 2: XXXX Player 3: XXXX Player 5: XXXX Player 4: XXX
Team B Player 4: XXXXX Player 2: XXXX Player 3: XXXX Player 5: XXXX Player 1: XXX
These look pretty fair, at least on paper. Each team has about a XXXX/XXXXX skill level, and the outliers are XXX and XXXXX. However, imagine that each team has a 4 man premade. Suppose player 1 is the solo queue player on each team. How does this affect the game?
Well, the best player on team A is left out of the communication loop, and the worst player on team B is left out. Strategies are almost certainly going to be centered around people in the group. This means that Team B's strategy will likely incorporate getting their best player fed, whereas the focus on team A is probably not on player 1, given (s)he's the stranger. Player 4 can lead his/her team's shotcalling, instruct his/her team and lead them to victory much more easily than player 1 can for his/her team. Furthermore, they will all be familiar with one another's tendencies, whereas player 1 is at the mercy of his team's own competency. While not necessarily true if matched with a 4 man premade, in general, Player 1 is more likely to have a rager, afk or feeder ruin his/her chances of carrying, by virtue of getting random players rather than ones he or she hand picked.
Therefore, it is reasonable to suggest that Player 4's skill level, while equivalent to Player 1's, will ultimately be more likely to impact the match because they can more easily communicate and lead their team. Player 1 will not necessarily be incorporated into strategic planning or leadership.
Compared to the previous queue, there is a much larger capacity for organization, which unfortunately punishes solo queue players harder than facing multiple duo queues. When one team has the organization of a premade, your team being equally organized becomes FAR more necessary. This season exasperates the issue that I agree was always present, making it a far larger deficit for the solo queue player.
Fair enough. It does make sense, assuming the players are in fact ignoring the champions or picks the solo person is making. But if they are a decent team, they would understand that if anything, the random is on their team is the biggest factor they can't control.
Pierce The Veal1 votesI vehemently disagree with your position, but I'm not going to down vote it. Frankly, you're entitled to like whatever you please. I would say, however, that it kills Ranked for not only myself but many other avid solo queue Ranked players.
Thanks for not outright downvoting what I said.
I would like to say, however, that lack of something in between solo queue and ranked also ruins the experience for a lot of people who came to play with friends, have more than a single friend, yet not enough for a 5 man.
OogieBoogs1 votesI don't mind it at all. I solo most of the time. I actually lose more when i que with friends xD
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Space Man J,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wTAEtRLq,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2016-04-14T18:10:15.498+0000)
I don't mind it at all. I solo most of the time. I actually lose more when i que with friends xD
Yeah
LaserDeathBlade1 votesI lose like 70% of games I play with friends
It's not that we don't like playing in premades, but the way it rates premades is completely bull. There's no way to accurately translate a team's synergy to an individual rank.
Pierce The Veal1 votesI lose like 70% of games I play with friends
It's not that we don't like playing in premades, but the way it rates premades is completely bull. There's no way to accurately translate a team's synergy to an individual rank.
I actually do win premades more often than not.
But it's when I switch back to solo after some multi man queueing that I see a problem. Suddenly my elo is inflated and to balance that the matchmaking queues me with teammates below my elo. And as a solo player it's hard to carry people below your elo vs people similar to your elo.
LaserDeathBlade1 votesI suppose it depends on the premade, but I have the exact opposite
I lose like 10 games in a premade, then go back and stomp solo queue. It's actually pretty easy because all I have to do to win as a solo player most of the time is not suck worse than the other solo players.
But however you look at it, the system is busted.
Pierce The Veal1 votesI suppose it depends on the premade, but I have the exact opposite
I lose like 10 games in a premade, then go back and stomp solo queue. It's actually pretty easy because all I have to do to win as a solo player most of the time is not suck worse than the other solo players.
But however you look at it, the system is busted.
I mean, I would't say busted so much as each player is gonna vary a lot more in rank.
Gimpy891 votesboosted que
Pierce The Veal1 votesboosted que
You could even call it
Gimpy queue.
Ba dum tsss
Sorry I had to. Now go home you're wrong.
Gimpy891 votesgreat argument.
Boosting is very rampant right now. If you could actually tell the difference between how people play at each elo you would see the huge variance in skill this season.
Intentional boosting is so easy as you can stack smurfs/clients and people also get unintentionally boosted since their MMR is no longer a reflection of their personal skill, but the mean skill of their regular premade.
I have seen streams of D+ smurfs queing with silver-gold for donations on their smurfs (and riot doesn't ban them).
not only does this system increase boosting but at higher elo the system allows 5 man premades to go against 5 solo players (yes this is rare and mostly happens at higher elo, but the system will do it to reduce que time) and this is a 100% guaranteed loss at any elo where people aren't brain-dead.
But hey you might get out of silver finally if you make good friends. this is your chance to achieve mediocrity.
Pierce The Veal1 votesgreat argument.
Boosting is very rampant right now. If you could actually tell the difference between how people play at each elo you would see the huge variance in skill this season.
Intentional boosting is so easy as you can stack smurfs/clients and people also get unintentionally boosted since their MMR is no longer a reflection of their personal skill, but the mean skill of their regular premade.
I have seen streams of D+ smurfs queing with silver-gold for donations on their smurfs (and riot doesn't ban them).
not only does this system increase boosting but at higher elo the system allows 5 man premades to go against 5 solo players (yes this is rare and mostly happens at higher elo, but the system will do it to reduce que time) and this is a 100% guaranteed loss at any elo where people aren't brain-dead.
But hey you might get out of silver finally if you make good friends. this is your chance to achieve mediocrity.
I would apologize about my "argument" had it not been your place to defend your position in the first place. "Boosted que" alone is not even a sentence, let alone a legitimite argument.
You're right. However there was nothing to stop people from doing this before with duo queue already. And trust me, doing dynamic queue with 1 good player and 4 pieces of shit is definitely not easy for the good player. As time progresses, and he carries 1, 2, 5, 10 games eventually he will be unable to carry if the skill of the players doesn't rise as well.
And that brings up a good point, while it may seem like it's a bad thing for there to be this sort of chaos, it might actually be a good thing in that it would forcefully intermix the player base, resulting in some unfair losses and victories(assuming it's like you said, and there are literally 1v9 gods that can carry), but more importantly allowing the general skill level of the game to increase.
And as a fix to keep dynamic queue in the game, why not make it so a players gameplay/rank has to stabilize in order to maintain his rank? Just make it so anyone who ranks up ridiculously fast will also have a huge mmr and rank decay over time. If he's legitimitely able to keep his rank, then his skill isn't faked, that or the guy has to pay a booster over an extended period of time to keep him in that rank.
And you know what that would do? It would also take those accursed smurfs out of the running. If someone wants to occupy top 5 of challenger, or just stomp some lower elos, then he's going to pay for it.
CoolMike1271 votesI like the concept of it, but how it functions currently? No, I don't. Atm it is imbalanced in it's matchmaking system
Pierce The Veal1 votesI like the concept of it, but how it functions currently? No, I don't. Atm it is imbalanced in it's matchmaking system
I wouldn't say it should be thrown away, however. With some rebalancing it should be good.