Another Juggernaut (Garen) getting the URGOT treatment

ValiantKiller·Aug 16, 2019·7 votes·2,610 views

Like it basically the same thing they did with my poor boy , they going to ruin his defensive status for exchange for damage that scale later in game and in same after few patchs from seeing that his damage high they going to nerf it and then bring him down to tier 5 just like what happen with right now.

Seem like Riot don't get what they doing anymore, Juggernaut mean to have decent status of defensive and alot of offensive what you doing here is killing another Juggernaut while you leaving two broken toxic shit Juggernaut like allowed to ruin you in lane and scale like monsters without getting true nerf and in fact you dared to buff . Who basically can just buy three and then run over anyone level 1 to 5 easily then scale like monster with .

33 Comments

RagnaveilAug 16, 20195 votes

Aatrox? Ruin you in lane? What? He only gets to do that when he has 20% cdr and level 6+, even then he isn't impossible to beat. Darius on the other hand is the bleed and the unnecessary bonus AD bonus he gets from 5 stack. He just needs a mini rework now that Riot is mini-reworking Garen (this signals the Juggernaut rework was a mistake hint hint)

Moody PAug 16, 20195 votes

aatrox is objectively more powerful and less healthy than darius and the fact that he's even allowed to be good is insulting

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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aatrox is objectively more powerful and less healthy than darius and the fact that he's even allowed to be good is insulting

RagnaveilAug 16, 20192 votes

Last I checked Jax murders him with ease, especially with the Q buff. Also not to mention anyone with damage and mobility only needs to buy Exe and they win the lane.

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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Aatrox? Ruin you in lane? What? He only gets to do that when he has 20% cdr and level 6+, even then he isn't impossible to beat. Darius on the other hand is the bleed and the unnecessary bonus AD bonus he gets from 5 stack. He just needs a mini rework now that Riot is mini-reworking Garen (this signals the Juggernaut rework was a mistake hint hint)

And they mini reworked Yorick and reworked Urgot even illaoi got reworked, so i guess his time to rework

WoonStruckAug 16, 20191 votes

Since when is Aatrox not an early-game focused monster? lmao

Though kind of expected for you to act like he's not a problem. You main him after all.

RagnaveilAug 16, 20192 votes

Maining him comes with the caveat of knowing his actual strengths. Pre 6 and pre black cleaver DD he is vulnerable. By the time he gets those lane phase is already over.

WoonStruckAug 16, 20191 votes

Laning phase is arguably where he's strongest, thus he has an easy time getting there generally.

ModCaptainMårvelousAug 16, 20194 votes

But that's kind of the point of Juggernauts?

Base-wise they should have more damage baked into their kit so they can opt to build defensive. Just look at...

Darius: Big beefy boy with a ton of damage, bleeding and more. Usually just needs 1-2 damage items.
Illaoi: Big beefy gal with a ton of damage and self-healing. Again, 1-2 damage items then defensive.
Urgot: The meat master. Again: 1-2 damage items, then full tank or utility items.

Most juggernauts need damage in their kits because bruiser items are that stellar. But as said, they usually opt to just build 1-2 damage items and then coast into durability. Garen loses 20 resistances and has a harder time stacking it in exchange for increased damage, which will just make Garen's life easier.

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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But that's kind of the point of Juggernauts?

Base-wise they should have more damage baked into their kit so they can opt to build defensive. Just look at...

Darius: Big beefy boy with a ton of damage, bleeding and more. Usually just needs 1-2 damage items.

Illaoi: Big beefy gal with a ton of damage and self-healing. Again, 1-2 damage items then defensive.

Urgot: The meat master. Again: 1-2 damage items, then full tank or utility items.

Most juggernauts need damage in their kits because bruiser items are that stellar. But as said, they usually opt to just build 1-2 damage items and then coast into durability. Garen loses 20 resistances and has a harder time stacking it in exchange for increased damage, which will just make Garen's life easier.

They got to be both right now Urgot fail to be a semi tanker like he used to be and same will happen to garen with that rework

HammermancerAug 16, 20193 votes

remember when steraks improved trinity force so that top laners had a late game option?

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20192 votes

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remember when steraks improved trinity force so that top laners had a late game option?

Remember when a champion having a shit alot of true damage and yet need more buffs on his armor pen ?

HammermancerAug 16, 20191 votes

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Remember when a champion having a shit alot of true damage and yet need more buffs on his armor pen ?

uhh... that's neither of the items im referring to but ok

That whole interaction came about from conqueror because riot wont just take out Conq and PTA and return fervor of battle like how all the ad champs in the game want it to be... also the tanks because it's better to itemize against

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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uhh... that's neither of the items im referring to but ok

That whole interaction came about from conqueror because riot wont just take out Conq and PTA and return fervor of battle like how all the ad champs in the game want it to be... also the tanks because it's better to itemize against

I know that but i just saying armor pen is just adding more unneeded power to a kit that is already toxic to deal with special how it easy to just proc conq and put alot of true damage on the top of that dumb bleed

HammermancerAug 16, 20191 votes

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I know that but i just saying armor pen is just adding more unneeded power to a kit that is already toxic to deal with special how it easy to just proc conq and put alot of true damage on the top of that dumb bleed

with too much armor pen tanks are shit I get it

without the armor pen tanks become gods

the over powered tank raping top laners are the only things keeping tanks from immobilizing the entire game back into deathball meta, and nobody outside of brand mains likes the deathball meta

ﬂooAug 16, 20192 votes

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remember when steraks improved trinity force so that top laners had a late game option?

TF is strong enough right now. Besides Steraks is still commonly built alongside TF.

Jinzo TorranceAug 16, 20193 votes

Juggernaut concept is just non-salvageable

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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Juggernaut concept is just non-salvageable

Agree

Nea104Aug 16, 20193 votes

Less defences, more damage. Sounds familiar, like something that has been going on for 2 years :D

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20192 votes

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Less defences, more damage. Sounds familiar, like something that has been going on for 2 years :D

Sound like Riot balance team

Hi im 12Aug 16, 20192 votes

leave it to wukong and ahri mains to cry that a champion with 53% wr is weak lmao

PyrosanAug 16, 20191 votes

He's a tier 5 champion on OP.GG Mobalytics puts him at an S-tier pick lol

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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He's a tier 5 champion on OP.GG Mobalytics puts him at an S-tier pick lol

Yah it funny , anything in top lane can run over urgot till level 11 that if he wasn't super behind by that level

Wild GeeseAug 16, 20191 votes

Who cares if you lost some defense when CONQ literally takes you from 1 hp to 2500 in 2 seconds thanks to that broken gatling gun+rune. I suspect Garen will be doing a simular thing with his spin;

Conq heal is busted.

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20192 votes

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Who cares if you lost some defense when CONQ literally takes you from 1 hp to 2500 in 2 seconds thanks to that broken gatling gun+rune. I suspect Garen will be doing a simular thing with his spin;

Conq heal is busted.

And that is the point why keep buffing the damn shitty damage in every kit and leave the busted already high damage champions, They just rework what is balanced around defensive and make it more offensive and that is cancer to game

Wild GeeseAug 16, 20191 votes

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And that is the point why keep buffing the damn shitty damage in every kit and leave the busted already high damage champions, They just rework what is balanced around defensive and make it more offensive and that is cancer to game

It's really the worst, they keep making these busted ass conq "juggernaut" champs like Darius, Aatrox, Mordekaiser, Urgot, now we're gonna get Garen too.

And really none of this crap is viable at all aside Aatrox, but they'll keep buffing everybodies damage and making lowelo worse and worse, maybe while they're at it they can make another rank under Bronze.

ValiantKillerAug 17, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wN5aHvTE,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-08-16T23:54:10.681+0000)

It's really the worst, they keep making these busted ass conq "juggernaut" champs like Darius, Aatrox, Mordekaiser, Urgot, now we're gonna get Garen too.

And really none of this crap is viable at all aside Aatrox, but they'll keep buffing everybodies damage and making lowelo worse and worse, maybe while they're at it they can make another rank under Bronze.

Atleast Garen (After rework) , urgot and Mordekaiser are kinda squishy and they don't have permanent healing factor(Yes mord have one but it does get melt if you melt down that shield quickly), problem is Aatrox and Darius left with his defensive shit, got healing and make alot of damage for no reason

RagnaveilAug 17, 20191 votes

8%, big deal.

Wild GeeseAug 17, 20192 votes

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8%, big deal.

8% of pre-mitigation damage, and not reduced by AOE.

whereas regular lifesteal is post-mitigation, and reduced by AOE.

Troll SlaiyerAug 16, 20191 votes

i hate these r%%%%% strength champs Darius Aatrox . they cant really be kited either since darius has item 3044 item 3111 item 3742 summoner 6 and aatrox has 70 dashes and knockups with max cooldown. they also cant be killed that easily thanks to the op combo of these item 3053 , item 3078 / item 3071 item 3812

only other r%%%%% strength champs can defeat them like Vayne Kaisa Draven MasterYi Tryndamere Yasuo

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

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i hate these r%%%%% strength champs . they cant really be kited either since darius has and aatrox has 70 dashes and knockups with max cooldown. they also cant be killed that easily thanks to the op combo of these , /

only other r%%%%% strength champs can defeat them like

They supposed to be not heavy mobile champions that do alot of damage and is tanky, yet this 2 seem to be able to do all in one

Moody PAug 16, 20191 votes

Garen actually gets to do damage without relying on a horrible mechanic that robs him of agency? And he's being compensation nerfed elsewhere?

The horror..

ValiantKillerAug 16, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wN5aHvTE,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-08-16T18:02:16.933+0000)

Garen actually gets to do damage without relying on a horrible mechanic that robs him of agency? And he's being compensation nerfed elsewhere?

The horror..

That what happen to Urgot, they give him more power and unlocked his W to make it permanent at the cost of his defensive, now the same happening to Garen