Shyvana has fast clears because her pre-6 and even post 6 ganks aren't that good.

ScarnMichaelScar·Mar 10, 2016·10 votes·665 views

so why nerf her clears? that's just gonna make her shittier EVERYWHERE

the only way shyvana is ganking successfully pre-6 is if A: the laner she's ganking for hands it to her on a silver platter with good cc B: the enemy laner is severely overpushed with no wards

post 6 she has an easier time ganking, BUT STILL GENERALLY NEEDS PEOPLE TO BE OVERPUSHED IF YOU EXPECT HER TO DO ANYTHING.

her good jungle clears are the only thing even keeping her relevant. and just threw her over the edge because of how well they synergize with all AUTO ATTACKING JUNGLERS IN THE GAME.

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EcchiOtakuTMMar 10, 20162 votes

They really should buff shyv's end game if they're nerfing this, maybe a buff so if shyvana is hit she gains dragon fury as well, in addition to recasting R gives some extra utility. If they did that I wouldn't mind this nerf.

Sire HippingtonMar 10, 20162 votes

I really prefer her clear getting nerfed and her then beeing shit for a while, as tht means she gets buffed eventually, becomeing more than fastclearer and hopefully beeing viable top once again. Shyvana overall is a shitty champ right now, her entire power comes from the insane clears + broken itemisation. She isn't even played top anymore as she sucks so hard if she can't just get a massive gold+xp lead from powerfarming with acces to sated.

YumaS2AstralMar 10, 20161 votes

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I really prefer her clear getting nerfed and her then beeing shit for a while, as tht means she gets buffed eventually, becomeing more than fastclearer and hopefully beeing viable top once again. Shyvana overall is a shitty champ right now, her entire power comes from the insane clears + broken itemisation. She isn't even played top anymore as she sucks so hard if she can't just get a massive gold+xp lead from powerfarming with acces to sated.

Actually she is a very viable top laner. Especially with the item changes. There aren't many matchups that she can't win top (one of them is Darius). The main reason why people do not play her top is because she has too much of a potential in the jungle. The other reason is that she doesn't offer the same utility as other top laners.

Sire HippingtonMar 10, 20162 votes

Beeing a toplaner is not only winning the lane matchup early on, else where would be far more champs top. Shyvana offers really little unless she snowballs hard, and any decent toplaner can prevent her from doing so as she has little killthreat if her opponent doesn't do stupid things. And for winning just from outfarming top, she simply doesn't scale enough. She offer nearly no utillity, many toplaners outscale her for splitpushing, and she's way to easy to kite/peel against in teamfights. Her winrate at plat+ top was 41% at champion.gg, befor she was played so little that toplane shy isn't even mentioned in the stats anymore. On league of graphs she has a 42% winrate top, the statistics show that toplane shy is in a poor state right now. And even as jungler, her winrate drops hard over gametime, as her main power comes from devourer, and after the sated+titanic powerspike, she doesn't scale much further, especially as the rest catches up in xp and gold.

The Yetii RiderMar 10, 20162 votes

Shyvana is still going to be a power farmer, she's just going to be less spiky with it.

The main issue with Shyvana's clear speed right now is that it allows her to clear camps and then counter jungle, whereas for other champions counter jungling or power farming is the only strat. Doing both in one game is way too spiky and gives her a huge gold lead while putting the enemy jungler behind.

ErockandrollMar 10, 20161 votes

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Shyvana is still going to be a power farmer, she's just going to be less spiky with it.

The main issue with Shyvana's clear speed right now is that it allows her to clear camps and then counter jungle, whereas for other champions counter jungling or power farming is the only strat. Doing both in one game is way too spiky and gives her a huge gold lead while putting the enemy jungler behind.

Riot has kinda learned from this point that Clear speed is a poor pivot of balance. You clear fast, and you can outpace your opponent. It's not like in lane where your waves come at fixed intervals. Tank Junglers were basically not existent until they created Cinderhulk. (which allowed tanks to keep up with everyone else.)

Live2LetDieMar 10, 20161 votes

Its riot man... they look at the champs and not the meta or items. Watch rammus get nerfed for being good against AD Comps

The Bearded BardMar 10, 20161 votes

Honestly if I were to nerf anything I'd nerf the cooldown on Ult. That shit's up every 30 seconds as long as she's got some stuff to autoattack.

If I had my way, devourer would be removed from the game. It's just a silly item. It's not hard to get sated and the payoff is HUGE. On the flip side of that, if the enemy does manage to keep you from getting sated, you're straight useless for 20+ minutes, but then when you finally do get sated you're suddenly a God.

Captain AishiMar 10, 20161 votes

Right now what I want riot to fix the most is her god-awful auto attack animation... it's bad enough that she's the only champion in the game whose autoattack you can cancel with CC, but just walking away from her makes her incapable of ever autoattacking you before she reaches around 40% attack speed (due to the fact that she cancels her auto animation if the target walks out of her 125 range, instead of finishing the animation and hitting, like basically every other champion in the game)