rageblade is seriously just stupid

Devourer hasn't been nerfed yet (still on PBE) and the nerfs have no impact on Sated Devourer, which is where the real problems begin. The double on-hit passive is what makes BotRK/Guinsoo's/Wit's End/Titanic Hydra so horrendously effective in conjunction with the magic damage of Sated Devourer.

Guinsoo's always needs a companion item to be effective; as someone who plays Kayle in lane as often as in the Jungle, you never rush Guinsoo's over Nashor's Tooth. Guinsoo's on Kog'Maw pre-buff was a powerspike, but it's true capacity didn't show up until you bought Runaan's Hurricane.

Why do you think Sated Devourer is not the problem? Whenever people bring in this threads, the complaint is always "Guinsoo's is OP...once the champion has Sated Devourer." Then when someone points out that BotRK/Wit's End/Titanic Hydra are just as lethal AFTER HAVING SATED DEVOURER, people plug their ears.

I played Kog'Maw before he saw his recent buffs. Rushing Guinsoo's was core on pre-buff Kog'Maw because it synergized so well with his W and allowed him dueling potential on top of clearing potential. That was ONLY (and still is) because his W provides an Atk-Speed steroid comparable to Sated Devourer.

As I said before, pre-buff Kog'Maw needed Runaan's (and a lot of peel) before he could wipe teams. Current Kog'Maw has been broken ever since they moved his Q passive to his W, not because of Rageblade alone.

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You sound like you should not be rewarded for** not being useful jungler for the first 25 minutes.**...

Yes Sated devourer POWER SPIKE IS GOOD

But it is supposed to be good

Here's the problem I have with this argument. This mentality is a remnant of the old Devourer/Feral Flare days when junglers were actually weak and not capable while they stacked the jungle item.

Now, it's a lot different. As someone who actually plays Sated Devourer junglers, I AM a useful jungler for the first 25 minutes. Hell, I don't even need Sated to do my job as a jungler - if you do then either you're playing Warwick or you're not doing the best job you could as a jungler:

• You are rewarded stacks upon kills/assists as a jungler now, so you have an incentive to gank.

• Dragon/Herald give you 5 stacks, which given their importance as objectives means your grind is going to be easier if you're doing your job as a jungler anyways.

• You gain passive HP through farming jungle camps with that one Keystone.

• Most of these junglers have Movement Speed steroids as well, so it's not like you're playing an immobile mage in the jungle trying to stack Devourer.

Now will every game be easy for stacking Sated Devourer? No, of course not, but there are a lot of games where I don't obtain my Cinderhulk or Warrior enchantment until the 15 minute mark.

The joke went over your head...

Joke ^ . . . . Your head

Agreed, removing the doublestack for melee attacks would certainly make it a bit more fair on some. Does nothing to stop Kog though. PBE changes to Kog may help that though.

STOP MOVING SO I CAN WHIMSY YOU!!!!

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thats where your wrong. you can use alpha strike to dodge alot of abilitys you can use meditate as an auto attack reset theres alot of skill going into playing champions.

every champion requires skill sorry to break it to you. theres a difference between a champion having a low skill floor that being how easy it is to first pick up and play and a skill ceiling is how difficult it is to master all the skills and abilities of a class.

So the higher the harder it is and the lower the floor the easier it is to learn the basics.

EDIT: for the record i dont play yi you can look at my match history you wont find a single yi game going back probably over a year also i hate yi as much as the next guy but im not gonna rage and say a champion takes no skill to play that would just be ignorant.

Sona has an auto attack reset. Doesn't make her hard. And "You can dodge skillshots with X move" doesn't make someone hard either.

I don't get it when people say "Yi can go untargetable!" as if to say that makes him hard. It means he has at least SOMETHING that requires some sort of thought, but that's not unique to him. He's about as brainless as it gets.

Can you imagine if some of these people saw a late-game Chaos Knight or Spectre? Their durability and damage combination might just make them shit bricks. And God forbid if Bristleback or Sven are allowed to get rolling in the early-game.

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Well he's not going to solo your team if he builds pure squish.

And if your team is squishy enough that he can kill them before you kill him, you just didn't itemize effectively against the master yi.

Thats the point... he dosnt have to build "pure squish" (which inst a thing you build.....I think you mean glass cannon). He gets to build a lot of HP and still kill his targets in short order.

Also, how do you itemize against physical, magic, and true damage all a the same time? The issue is hes able to get kills he couldnt before, then get super fed and blow up whole teams. So if by itemize against, you mean not get snowballed all over by Yi, well talk to Rito about their snowball META. Cause once Yi comes out of that jungle, you have about 10 minutes to finish that match, cause its about to get ugly.

Devourer is bad on ranged champions who have RANGE, and good on melee champion who has NO RANGE, this is what makes the item balanced and somewhat fair. Rageblade is good on everyone

A shard of intelligence in this vast ocean of Rage Bl.. rage.

Yeah, no you missed a very important part of this discussion. As you mentioned, almost every single devourer/rageblade jungler will end up building tank items after those two, one of which is almost always sterak's, so once these items are complete they'll demolish teams, win every single 1v1, and cannot be focused down, some of them you can't even effectively peel without a comp made around peeling.

So we all know that in order to beat a devourer jungler, no matter their build, you just push for early wins and early invades to deny them farm in any way you can, and they'll end up being super weak for a good amount of time.

The problem, and the issue that everyone has been talking about this whole time, is that you're essentially set on a timer in every single game against even a decent champ who uses that build, and if you make even the slightest mistake that normally would only give the enemy team a slight break before you come back to finish them off, you have actually lost the game. That moron devourer jungler who never ganked anything and just tried to afk jungle farm but didn't even bother to try and get drag control or anything will scale up to this right clicking monster that everyone is talking about. Most Yi player for example are awful at jungle, they cannot effectively play any other jungler that doesn't work the same way (i.e. Jax or Shyvanna), and will make the early-mid game very rough for their teammates, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER, cause they and everyone else knows that if they can just not lose by too much so they can just get like 3 god damn items then they can single handedly win the game even though they did absolutely nothing to deserve it, and it's 100% cause of the item builds, nothing more then that.

It's just poor balancing, either useless or flat out OP, that shouldn't be a thing in the game at all!