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If you're complaining about your jungler farming for their Sated, maybe you should stop taking camps

Visigoth··77 votes·5,566 views

Seriously, it's common sense. I've seen people (mainly ADCs) just straight up LAST HIT a creep to take it, because they're a dick. You have a lane for a reason, go farm the 20 creeps hitting our tower instead of taking my Krugs. And for fuck sake please let your jungler start the dragon or at least be able to get the assist, those 5 stacks are valuable as hell. And Scuttle gives 2 stacks also, so if I'm doing Crab while you're walking on over to mid, don't just last hit it, you dick. I get 30 more gold than you and 2 stacks for devourer.

You complain that your devourer champ is being useless, but there you are taking their jungle when there's plenty of lane farm. Devourer is broken as hell, but not when you are counter jungling your own team.

Seriously, I'm looking at you ADC and mid laners. Top laners and support? Nah. MAYBE top will ask if they can start a camp, and that one camp at the beginning is fine. But it pisses me off when my Kalista wants to stop by my Raptors to take them, you know, not like I can get a vision buff from those.

And the best part are the who whine when they get taxxed. I just handed yo ass 2 free kills, I'm taking a couple of minions. I shouldn't have to go in, burn my flash, burn your lane opponent's flash, and spoon feed you 2 kills and then leave without me earning anything, because it's not like I can even farm since you decided that's yours too.

I'm perfectly fine with my ADC taking reds later on, and mid laners taking blues after my first, but FFS man, ask at least, because 99% of the time I give a decent doing adc red and unless I'm some mana hungry guy like Hecarim, you're probably getting blue, unless you're Yasuo.

Hell, even if you're like Zed or something I'll give you blue for the CDR.

Also, if you're gonna poach my creeps without asking, at least CLEAR THE WHOLE THE FUCKING CAMP YOU DICK. LIKE, WTF MAN. YOU CAN'T JUST KILL THE BIG WOLF AND WALK AWAY AS THOSE BABIES HAVE TO WATCH THEIR MOTHER DIE, YOU DOUCHE DICK.

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Indorfin17 votes

Unique – Devouring: Takedowns (kills or assists) will grant Devourer stacks, increasing on-hit magic damage by +0.67

Last-hitting the creep doesn't matter, you still get the stack as long as you attacked it. The only exception is that for some reason, if you don't last-hit dragon, you only get 1 stack for assisting instead of 5.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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Last-hitting the creep doesn't matter, you still get the stack as long as you attacked it. The only exception is that for some reason, if you don't last-hit dragon, you only get 1 stack for assisting instead of 5.

That applies to kills on champions not camps last I checked

DrCyanide2 votes

The wiki begs to differ: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Devourer

Indorfin2 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Devourer

It looks like it did only apply to kills originally, but it's updated in the patch history at the bottom.

Bears Dont Care2 votes

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http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Devourer

It looks like it did only apply to kills originally, but it's updated in the patch history at the bottom.

Interesting. Didn't notice it in patch notes

Raiku Kawisa1 votes

That is true, but this is not the LCS where the team funnels gold into the carries. This is SoloQ. The Jungler gets 30g more per jungle camp than anyone else. A laner taking that camp removes 30g from the team.

Do not get me wrong. If I'm defending top tower and the adc is in the mid area and wants to take chickens thats fine. Just don't take every single camp in my jungle.

warpenguin55512 votes

ikr. Vayne Warwick gank us now! Warwick just play passive and farm, im trying to get sated. Vayne ok fine. takes Warwicks jungle Warwick facepalm not what i meant you moron...

Valrun11 votes

Is it wrong for me to leave the baby jungle creeps if they're on the enemy team's side and they have a devourer Yi?

Phoenix Kotori 9 votes

You monster.

Valrun8 votes

But, doesn't Yi deserve to have to explain to these babies why they're mother died?

Just think of the emotional conflict he has to feel when he knows that he'll have to explain it before he chops them to bits.

Only Play Darius7 votes

You will get a sated stack on an jungle monster assist, so even if your ADC last hits the krug you should still get a stack.

That being said, players who intentionally last hit monsters disgust me. Clearing a camp while I'm on the other side of the map is one thing and I'm usually fine with it, but me spending mana and taking damage while fighting krugs camp just for you to come at the last second and take the kill makes me despise you and is an easy way to make sure I never gank you for the rest of the game. I don't care if your lane is falling apart and we are going to lose the game because of it, I'm not going to let that toxic behavior to go unpunished.

Monsieur Seasalt2 votes

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You will get a sated stack on an jungle monster assist, so even if your ADC last hits the krug you should still get a stack.

That being said, players who intentionally last hit monsters disgust me. Clearing a camp while I'm on the other side of the map is one thing and I'm usually fine with it, but me spending mana and taking damage while fighting krugs camp just for you to come at the last second and take the kill makes me despise you and is an easy way to make sure I never gank you for the rest of the game. I don't care if your lane is falling apart and we are going to lose the game because of it, I'm not going to let that toxic behavior to go unpunished.

While intentionally last hitting a monster you spent time and effort killing is a dick move, remind me never to play with you. You're literally being just as toxic as the dick who last hit your krug.

Only Play Darius4 votes

Junglers are low income, have absolutely no safety nets from counterjunglers (while laners have minions and turrets) and frequently get yelled at by bad players for not winning lane for them (often the same players who would poach their jungler).

If you ever had someone intentionally last hit your camp you would know that this is the straw that breaks the camel's back for most junglers. The fact that a teammate would go out of their way to intentionally make the game harder for their own ally.

I dont know if you have ever had this happen to you while you where jungling. Maybe I'm unusual, but there is nothing else my teammates can do that gets my blood boiling the way poaching does. AFK might be due to internet issues and feeders might be genuinely bad but trying to improve, and selfish champion picks like old Darius or Quinn top might work out in the end. But intentionally last hitting a camp isn't just a dick move, it indicates fundamental disrespect of not only a fellow teammate but the jungle role itself. If someone is going to take time out of their day to abuse their jungler then I refuse to give that player any of the benefits that comes with having a jungler on their side. Sorry if it ends up ruining the game for you (had to deal with this a few days ago where a botlane duo said they would "leash" me, then sat back while I tanked all the damage from krug and then took it for themselves, then laughed about it in chat. I told them they were not getting any ganks. I helped top/mid get ahead but botlane lost so hard that we lost anyway. Thank god it was a normal.)

Fortunately I rarely run into this behavior, but I intend to keep it that way and as such have a zero-tolerance response to it. Sorry if you're an innocent top laner caught in the crossfire, feel free to gank them yourself if you believe they are deserving of a second chance.

Silver Fluffenbu2 votes

so. you're fine with punishing three innocent players for the misdeeds of one? you're playing the wrong game, bud.

Only Play Darius3 votes

I specified that I gank for the "innocent players", so I really don't punish them at all. If anything, they get more attention from me as a result. I don't throw the game, I simply let someone who abuses their jungler continue the game without jungler help

Regardless, the kind of players who would mistreat their jungler like that are the kind of players who would ruin games for the "innocent" players at a later point in time if they knew they could do it conveniently and without consequence.

Like I said if you want to be a champion for them you can gank them yourself. Last I checked it was a toplane teleport meta anyway.

Silver Fluffenbu1 votes

and if hamstringing the adc loses the game, you've made the choice to do so and ganking for other lanes did your team no favors. That is just a convenient and without consequence way of throwing the game.

If you feel abused than send a report in the postgame lobby.

Only Play Darius1 votes

Good thing that in this meta it's easier than ever to carry from any lane! Especially with the juggernauts around who needs an ADC when you have a 6/0 Garen ?

GhostButter011 votes

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Good thing that in this meta it's easier than ever to carry from any lane! Especially with the juggernauts around who needs an ADC when you have a 6/0 Garen ?

I'm more likely to focus on helping top lane and mid lane when I Jungle for this reason. A fed Garen or Darius makes my job so much easier. The pressure a fed Garen w/teleport can put on a map is crazy. Same thing with Zed, LB, or Yas. They offer great early and mid game pressure when fed and ADCs just can't match it. My point of view is that ADCs are for late game. Let me get the top and mid laners rollin' first. Besides, decent ADCs know how to recover from being behind anyway.

Blade of Justic6 votes

What happens if I don't take his jungle and he still won't help his laners?

Indorfin3 votes

Then you suck it up, knowing that he's gonna walk out of the jungle with a huge powerspike that you can and should plan around.

Zhugan1 votes

Huge powerspike that is a full 10 minutes late half the time. Doesn't matter how egregious the jungler is if he has ignored his lanes right into losses because the other jungler actually decided to do their job and gank.

Indorfin2 votes

Getting Devourer doesn't mean you NEVER gank, or at least, it doesn't if you're even a semi-competent jungler. It means you look for the easy ganks. You wait for your laners to give you a flash timer on someone immobile, or help snowball a winning lane. You should also be warding the lane next to whatever side of the jungle you're gonna clear-cut so you can countergank.

I don't know why your junglers are getting it late, it's not very difficult.

Zhugan2 votes

Late doesn't necessarily mean at 20 minutes or 25 minutes. Late means past the point when they are going to make a significant impact on the game because they were too concerned with farming and not concerned enough with what was happening in lanes.

That's the issue with Devourer, really. It encourages hard farming over any kind of map pressure with the possible exception of getting Dragon. Which is fine if your lanes are winning, but is a totally garbage strategy if they got outpicked or are losing because the other jungler is intervening in lanes.

You're also saying that people should plan on a big powerspike from the jungler, but that power spike doesn't matter if all the lanes are losing because the other jungler was constantly ganking or applying map pressure.

Matezoide4 votes

Too bad most of the Sated junglers will just afk farm their jungle and completely ignore Scuttle/Dragon no matter how much you ping.

brad4 votes

dear diary

in all seriousness, why are most of the top rated posts just people saying things that they should have said in game to the person that they are responding to instead of sitting on what they said for 2 weeks and making a thread after they finally won the argument they had in their head about the specific situation to which they are referencing

SoMNia3 votes

This is not one specific situation. This is something that happens over and over, that a LOT of people need to hear. It wouldn't do much good to tell this to just one person. It's also several paragraphs that are extremely impractical to type out in the middle of a game when you should be playing. Don't be ridiculous.

luckmallory3 votes

That is the problem with devourer junglers and why i hate them.

As a mid laner i always used to take raptors every time they were up after the jungler got them the first time. This was normal and helped me keep an edge on my lane opponent after i pushed their lane. I do the same thing with krugs as the top laner. now if i do it the devourer jungler shits an entire brick because the whole fucking jungle is his and nobody else can touch his precious stacks.

Its like when you gank for a nasus and give him a free kill and he flames you for taxing. It's so annoying and honestly i still do it because devourer junglers annoy me.

Dryditch15 votes

You should literally never be taking Raptors from your jungler. That ward clearing buff is absurdly valuable.

Krugs/Gromp are kind of whatever, since your jungler can just go farm elsewhere, but the camps you should never be taking are Wolves, Raptors, or Scuttles.

AyRe CoNteMpT5 votes

you see, the point about jungler being to contribute something to the game at some point. he can either help his noobteam early on so the enemy lee-sin doesnt snowball off of them 10:0 in 5 minutes or he can go farm to be a strong threat later on and control the map.

in the first case, he sacrifices experience and gold to get his laners more of the same. in the second case, he sacrifices some lane-power for his own and also it would not only increase everyones winrate but also the enjoyment of every jungler in the world if laners would actually sometimes sacrifice some laning power out of their own free will to help their jungler (pulls, help against invades, helping him while he invades etc)

people have like no respect for junglers and if anyone is like "Omg i got ganked 20 times and you didnt gank once" even when im 4:0, ill simply ignore and report him. very simple. also, i dont talk to my dogs like normal dog-owners.

Jari5 votes

You can keep taking my raptors if you don't mind there being 0 ganks. While we're at it, I guess I shouldn't get a sweeper since you don't want me cleaning out wards.

Monsieur Seasalt2 votes

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You can keep taking my raptors if you don't mind there being 0 ganks. While we're at it, I guess I shouldn't get a sweeper since you don't want me cleaning out wards.

I don't mind getting 0 jungle pressure if you don't mind losing the game. Suck it up. Your items as a jungler costs significantly less than laners' items.

Jari2 votes

Because experience and vision control aren't a thing. Me doing it for even more gold to ward your bush so you can more safely push isn't a thing either then. I'll just Yi gank at level 4 while they're all 6 since you keep insisting you'll take them if I don't gank.

Monsieur Seasalt1 votes

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Because experience and vision control aren't a thing. Me doing it for even more gold to ward your bush so you can more safely push isn't a thing either then. I'll just Yi gank at level 4 while they're all 6 since you keep insisting you'll take them if I don't gank.

I said this above. Invade.. Ask for assistance in doing so. I'll shove lane to help you incase you need it. Gank... You get experience and gold for doing so.

I'm never going to ask you to ward my lane for me. It'll be appreciated, but not necessary.

Jari2 votes

Invading is dumb if I'm caught. If I don't know where the enemy jungler is, ganking is literally a nice way to have me die.

How do I gank if you deny me experience? I'm not even kidding when I say taking those has put me behind in levels as a jungler. I'll come gank your level 6 mid laner at 4 if it'll make you stop, since your hands will be full with your enemy having a kill from it.

Even if not your lane, a ward gives vision. Vision is control. I don't have to touch your damn bush. I'll put it by Dragon, which catches them with trying it. Then we get them and HEY LOOK we killed enemies and got a dragon. Now where did that money come from so I could get that ward there?

Oh right.

Silver Fluffenbu1 votes

glad to see at least one Yi buys a sightstone.

Jari1 votes

Oh I still don't on Yi. Doesn't mean I can't use that Raptor gold to buy a pretty pink for my team. If I see they're doing well on my first back, I'll actually get a pink on first back if I can in pop it either in top or bot lane, depending on my team and which side's doing fine. It does wonders.

Of course once I'm full build it's harder to for me to ward, but by then I can't really complain about you taking raptors at 40 minutes unless it's costing us the game. You don't need sightstone to ward.

TTUPhoenix5 votes

Man, I wish I knew how to get that half-price TriForce for junglers. Bet every Nasus wishes they had my cheap TFs. And those 30% off tank items? Those are the best.

howstheweather132 votes

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Man, I wish I knew how to get that half-price TriForce for junglers. Bet every Nasus wishes they had my cheap TFs. And those 30% off tank items? Those are the best.

Riot please hire this man! Items should cost less for their respective classes!

luckmallory1 votes

If they ask me not to for the buff then i don't but i they dont ask i do. If you can gank my lane and tax me why can't i tax your jungle if you get the kill?

Jari2 votes

The thing is why do I need to ask you to not? You shouldn't be taking away the jungle camps considering the buffs you are denying. If he wards that bush I ain't ganking without that Raptor vision control. What keeps dying on spawn by my mid laner?

And for the taxing, let me explain. I leave my jungle, abandoning it for the moment, which consumes exp and gold per minute, to go to your lane. I arrive at the lane and we go in. Oh look, we managed to kill the enemy laner. Here's a list of what that gives you.

If he burned summoners too, great.

A kill, plus at least one assist.

Wave control for the moment.

That dude's going to be scared if he has any brains and play more safe, benefitting you more in the long run.

So if you can't spare me 40 gold for that time and basically allowing you control, I can't spare to come over for you. Also before you pull the other jungler comes to gank excuse, let me point this out. If the enemy jungler is coming for you and you're ahead, you can do some damage and sometimes can 1v2 if you're that far ahead.

But in your defense, that ones that tax two whole waves doing nothing are assholes.

Monsieur Seasalt1 votes

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The thing is why do I need to ask you to not? You shouldn't be taking away the jungle camps considering the buffs you are denying. If he wards that bush I ain't ganking without that Raptor vision control. What keeps dying on spawn by my mid laner?

And for the taxing, let me explain. I leave my jungle, abandoning it for the moment, which consumes exp and gold per minute, to go to your lane. I arrive at the lane and we go in. Oh look, we managed to kill the enemy laner. Here's a list of what that gives you.

If he burned summoners too, great.

A kill, plus at least one assist.

Wave control for the moment.

That dude's going to be scared if he has any brains and play more safe, benefitting you more in the long run.

So if you can't spare me 40 gold for that time and basically allowing you control, I can't spare to come over for you. Also before you pull the other jungler comes to gank excuse, let me point this out. If the enemy jungler is coming for you and you're ahead, you can do some damage and sometimes can 1v2 if you're that far ahead.

But in your defense, that ones that tax two whole waves doing nothing are assholes.

I'm never going to not let you tax if I kill them or you blow summoners. Don't get me wrong about that.

There will be occasional times where I see a high-econ jungler and wont touch his camps till much later. Usually the devourer junglers, but even then.

But I'm not going to take your shirt if you've built warrior or cinderhulk and whine to me about me taking your raptors or wolves.

Ganking through wards. It should be the laner's job to tell you when an entrance is warded or not. It's also the laner's job to tell you the best entrance to gank through if they have brains, but I notice many laners never do that. So... In your defense...

Jari2 votes

The point is the double standard the laner wants to argue. I've seen laners afk in my games because I took two minions. Before you say, "The jungler's doing it too," Here's the difference. You see this item, or other versions of this? item 3706 This thing has a nice passive on it. It gives the person who has it more gold for killing the jungle monsters. You know what that adds to? Your jungler being stronger with more items. You know what happens when you kill a monster away from the jungler? You officially just wasted gold. I'm putting that extra stuff towards wards. Sorry you don't like vision.

TehNACHO2 votes

Actually, Zed gets bonus energy regen with blue as well.

RedCyclone2 votes

Like he actually needs it, lol

Eastrid2 votes

I hate when I play Elise and mid always takes my blue. They don't realize how important mana is for her starting out. at lvl 3 I have to be able to combo E,W,Q,R,Q,W. If I have no mana for my stun I am useless early game.

ChaosReignsDown1 votes

This is one side of the story. Lets look at the fact that a lot of jungles decide they cant gank or help any lane until they are Sated. While you have a non-Dev using jg ganking all the lanes or worse camping a lane. You get NO help from said AFK jg until you are 20-25 mins in?

If the jungle is going to be a jerk and afk farm.. dont be surprised when the team mates get mad and take your farm.

Krinu2 votes

So... your solution for somebody trying to go for late-game power instead of early-game power is to... deny them any power at all?

Brilliant.

This honestly is an issue that needs to be addressed at champion select. If you're the jungler and the rest of your team has picked champions with early game power spikes that fall off quickly, playing a devourer jungler is probably a bad plan. Laners, if your jungler has already picked a late-game powerhouse (Kayle pre-nerf, Yi, whatever), then maybe taking Renekton top is a bad idea.

Divewing1 votes

Nope, I can't agree. Watch any of the top jungle streamers on twitch. They gank heaps, especially bot or snowball lanes, because if the lanes can win alone you can AFK farm 100% SAFELY, and if bots ahead you can secure the worlds easiest dragons.

GhostButter011 votes

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Nope, I can't agree. Watch any of the top jungle streamers on twitch. They gank heaps, especially bot or snowball lanes, because if the lanes can win alone you can AFK farm 100% SAFELY, and if bots ahead you can secure the worlds easiest dragons.

Fed Vayne kills someone in 2 hits, takes one tower and dies when the goon squad shows up. Darius one shots people and doesn't die. When Darius can split push, win that 3v1 AND grab 2 towers... to each their own.

In my experience, ADCs are more likely to be caught and killed when over extended. The bruisers in top lane can over extend and still live. Its all about choices, and right now I lean on top laners to help me.

I believe the Mid lane towers are the most important of the towers, so I don't see how you can ever go wrong helping out mid lane. My opinion of course.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

{quoted}

So... your solution for somebody trying to go for late-game power instead of early-game power is to... deny them any power at all?

Brilliant.

This honestly is an issue that needs to be addressed at champion select. If you're the jungler and the rest of your team has picked champions with early game power spikes that fall off quickly, playing a devourer jungler is probably a bad plan. Laners, if your jungler has already picked a late-game powerhouse (Kayle pre-nerf, Yi, whatever), then maybe taking Renekton top is a bad idea.

I think Renekton with a farming jungler is great. Thats 1 lane you can afford to leave alone while you farm. It's when your team picks weak laners that need babysitting that really fucks up a devourer jungler. If I'm playing Kayle jungle and you pick Nasus top, Kassadin mid, and Ezreal bot, I'm going to be pissed.

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