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Mordekaiser literally has his name, and his E left.

Visigoth··171 votes·5,001 views

Lore got retconned to become half a paragraph because lore team is convinced 2 sentences of lore is better than stuff like Gnar has where you get an entire nice couple of pages. Doesn't have the same title anymore. Q, W, R, and Passive all drastically different, his Q and his W literally being entire new things. His build path and play style was shattered.

The ACTUAL Master of Metal is fucking dead. Riot, the champion was LITERALLY supposed to be "metal" themed. THAT WAS THE BASE THEME. You don't fucking just change the base theme. Even Sion when he got his huge rework at least kept the same general theme. His abilities were even named after metal songs. You can't say he isn't metal based when his 5 kit components are literally named after popular metal songs. You can't take the living suit of armor, who is made of** METAL**, and is the guitarist for the **METAL **band of Pentakill, and has an entire kit based around METAL (bar his ultimate, which was the only undead part that basically allowed him to still be Shadow Isles), and say that metal doesn't fit into his theme. Metal was his theme.

It actually makes more sense for Nocturne to not be nightmare and fear based than it does to make Mordekaiser not metal based.

You know, at least he had glorious metal puns. At least he had great humor in his dialogue, you know, talking to the summoner, and going even farther into the 4th wall breaking and telling the player to only click once, fool. Now, he doesn't even have metal. I'm betting pretty soon we'll be getting a voice over change to make him sound like Caitlyn, because it somehow is more fitting to his theme.

Riot, you don't understand, I tried so hard to make Mordekaiser jungle work all of Season 4 (just after I started playing) and throughout most of season 5. I literally thought the champion was so cool that I bought him and had to learn to lane and to play a champion I had no clue about. I didn't even understand how the Spellvamp effects worked at the time, but I learned because Mordekaiser had such a cool design.

And you took it all away. Fuck it, might as well take out Taric's gems and make Zilean not be considered a time god, because it doesn't fit into their kits. Kha'Zix no longer can evolve his abilities, because evolving doesn't fit his design. Jax is now garbage at fighting because it didn't fit his fighting master theme. Fiddlesticks no longer can fear because it doesn't fit his living Scarecrow theme. Caitlyn is now melee because long range didn't fit her sniper theme. Jarvan now yells "Noxus!" when ulting instead of "Demacia!" to better fit his Demacian prince theme. Shen's ult now deals 8,000 true damage to a target ally to better fit his protector theme.

The funny thing is, some of those things I just listed actual do make more sense than making Morde not metal based. Let's be honest, if he were a "Grandmaster" Jax would be old and feeble. See, that makes more sense than non-Metal Mordekaiser. Because Mordekaiser was designed to be metal incarnate.

Fuck you Riot, and your entire balance team. This is worse than when you made a badass chain and sickle wielding undead prison warden be a support. Re-release Mordekaiser in his pre-Season 5 state. It's obvious you have no intention of actually making him even somewhat like Mordekaiser, so you might as well make him a new champion, because he sure as fuck isn't Mordekaiser. You killed the real Mordekaiser, then you brought him back and killed him again, and then again, and then again, and one more time, decided to just make sure he was dead. Then you nuked the grave. Then launched it into the sun just to be safe. And the sun went supernova. And then it formed a black hole, which swallowed the remaining particles of his grave and tore the atoms themselves apart, and then the atoms themselves were erased from existence, defying laws of physics. And then you spit in the general direction, trying to call this new abomination of absurdly overpowered abilities Mordekaiser, and take away his namesake.

Seriously I'll pay up all 2592 RP and 2128 IP I currently have if it means reverting Mordekaiser to how he was before the failed rework at the beginning of Season 5. Just give me, no, give the community Mordekaiser back.

87 Comments

Kitten of Evil26 votes

Karma knows dat feel. The one thing they really kept from her old kit was the damaging over-shield explosion and her Mantras. But then they took off the R+E damage and all she's left with is a bland shield and Mantra.

OyddAWqJ5r3 votes

That super disappointing generic skillshot Q though... that somehow made its way to become her main spell. Ugh

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I mean it's more effective, don't get me wrong, but so bland. It's basically just an Iceborn Gauntlet Ezreal Q.

TheUnseenRat2 votes

Old karma had a very unique design visually and game wise than the new karma

her fans and her traditional skin matched her theme perfectly and added new visual aspects for female characters and new weapons.

Ironically, since riot wants to promote melee champions playing in bot lane, the old karma fitted well into that aspect in such that she was designed to be a support mage for melee champions in the first place.

But riot decided to change her playstyle and theme to a generic poke mage that we already have plenty of, both in mid lane and as a support role.

I personally see the new karma as a weak version of lulu and some other supportive poke mages .

Its just sad to see champions like mord and karma lose their unique kits and design to something generic and out of the character .

Kitten of Evil2 votes

I liked the duality of old Karma. Everything had an offensive and defensive aspect -- it was very yin and yang. Very thematic and flavorful. Q AOE damage, R+Q adds AOE heal W ally buff/enemy debuff/damage E shield, R+E adds AOE damage Passive: more AP as she gets lower HP, so enhances both her offense and defense.

But was she really so strong recently that they needed to remove her over-shield damage on R+E?

sp4416 votes

Now, New Karma fits an important place in the meta. For instance, every time I'm having trouble sleeping, I just play a round with her. Fall right fucking asleep right there.

Dulzara13 votes

Old Mord was my main. I liked his kit, but he definitely wasn't good. When he worked, it was bullshit oppressive, and when it didn't, he was garbage.

So, let's look at new Mord. Personally, the only thing that I think is bad about new Mordekaiser, is his absolute reliance on being bot. If he could successfully solo top (and maybe get rid of that OP as sin dragon), I feel the new Mord would okay. I REALLY do love his new Q. I love the slow, hulking, "If you dare let me hit you the third time, you're dead." Kite him, and he's dead, let him cast, and you die. It's binary, sure, but when it happens, its cool.

The main issue about the "Lord of Death" vs Master of Metal isn't that his identity is changing. It's that his identity was stolen.

Mordekaiser's entire kit was metal except his ult originally. A metal shield for his passive, metal maces bursting from his mace, forming a metal shield of shards, and summoning many maces to hit the target. It didn't look the best or make the most sense but it WAS metal. The key word is was. Then out of nowhere, his E's design was changed. Then his kit rework, which removed the idea of 'magnetism' of metal, which was the POINT of his W increasing speed. Then, suddenly, all the metal starts vanishing from his kit. And then bam "Lord of Death."

If they wanted to redesign Mord's identity, then he deserved a Sion work. It's that simple. You DON'T alter a champion's core without giving it a GOOD amount of work. This is just slapping a bunch of shitty bandaids.

If you wanted to make him a "Lord of Death" then his shield should look like souls blocking attacks. His Q should channel the screams of the damned when it hits the third Q. His W should be souls in agony writhing around him. His E should be more then a half a second image of blue-green spoop and NOT SOUND LIKE METAL STILL HITTING.

Either revert him to metal, or give him better death visuals, because right now, you're just spitting on the original concept.

LankPants1 votes

Old Mord was my main. I liked his kit, but he definitely wasn't good. When he worked, it was bullshit oppressive, and when it didn't, he was garbage.

The only thing that changed is that it now works more often.

DrNova4 votes

Free exp with no counterplay can do that.

TheDevice1 votes

{quoted}

Old Mord was my main. I liked his kit, but he definitely wasn't good. When he worked, it was bullshit oppressive, and when it didn't, he was garbage.

So, let's look at new Mord. Personally, the only thing that I think is bad about new Mordekaiser, is his absolute reliance on being bot. If he could successfully solo top (and maybe get rid of that OP as sin dragon), I feel the new Mord would okay. I REALLY do love his new Q. I love the slow, hulking, "If you dare let me hit you the third time, you're dead." Kite him, and he's dead, let him cast, and you die. It's binary, sure, but when it happens, its cool.

The main issue about the "Lord of Death" vs Master of Metal isn't that his identity is changing. It's that his identity was stolen.

Mordekaiser's entire kit was metal except his ult originally. A metal shield for his passive, metal maces bursting from his mace, forming a metal shield of shards, and summoning many maces to hit the target. It didn't look the best or make the most sense but it WAS metal. The key word is was. Then out of nowhere, his E's design was changed. Then his kit rework, which removed the idea of 'magnetism' of metal, which was the POINT of his W increasing speed. Then, suddenly, all the metal starts vanishing from his kit. And then bam "Lord of Death."

If they wanted to redesign Mord's identity, then he deserved a Sion work. It's that simple. You DON'T alter a champion's core without giving it a GOOD amount of work. This is just slapping a bunch of shitty bandaids.

If you wanted to make him a "Lord of Death" then his shield should look like souls blocking attacks. His Q should channel the screams of the damned when it hits the third Q. His W should be souls in agony writhing around him. His E should be more then a half a second image of blue-green spoop and NOT SOUND LIKE METAL STILL HITTING.

Either revert him to metal, or give him better death visuals, because right now, you're just spitting on the original concept.

This is the best comment I've seen about morde so far.

His pre-rework was a very flat, linear, and bland design. "I go smash buttons in your face till somebody dies". His kit was so simple... so freaking simple... I dont even know how it wasn't reworked sooner.

I enjoyed played the old morde but only at those times where I was maybe half asleep, drunk and lazy. Sure its fun to just facecheck their entire team and start spamming skills with no real worry about positioning or having any clue what was happening so long as you continued to spam skills but i mean... cmon... it was dull.

Plus, I beat EVERYONE and ANYONE as morde in his solo lane. Anyone who went mid vs morde was destroyed.

But this leads to his rework... why in gods name did they do such a half-assed job? lol. They must have known that doing ANYTHING to morde was going to piss off the morde mains so they should have just went balls deep and did a complete sion-level rework. They didn't even give him a VU XDDDDD. I mean wow. WOW.

I'm not even saying his rework was bad but it was like taking a concept, shooting it out of a shotgun, picking up the pieces and glueing them back together to look like something else but also look the same lol.

I am just incredibly surprised at riot for doing something so... lazy.

The title is an issue where I'm just like... meh. Yeah Lord of Death sounds corny but does it deserve this much flack? I personally don't think so but whatever.

Eedat10 votes

I mean seriously where did all these Mordekaiser mains come from? Everyone acts like him getting a rework "completely ruined my main for me".

Morde got reworked because his old kit was flat out bad. Stupid low range, extremely one dimensional, and not the level of damage to make up for it. He almost never got played. So why is everyone so pissed that he got some changes to make him played more? After he gets some numbers changes he will be better than he was

Vhalthoria9 votes

{quoted}

I mean seriously where did all these Mordekaiser mains come from? Everyone acts like him getting a rework "completely ruined my main for me".

Morde got reworked because his old kit was flat out bad. Stupid low range, extremely one dimensional, and not the level of damage to make up for it. He almost never got played. So why is everyone so pissed that he got some changes to make him played more? After he gets some numbers changes he will be better than he was

Because he was my main and the champion to go during rankeds. You obviously never played the old Morde enough.

Eedat10 votes

LOL. Posts from a level 20 account so nobody can check his stats

"he was my main"

Lolk this is exactly what I'm talking about

Vhalthoria5 votes

{quoted}

LOL. Posts from a level 20 account so nobody can check his stats

"he was my main"

Lolk this is exactly what I'm talking about

Yeah, this is my smurf. My main account is on LAN servers. lol but still, you didn't play Morde enough. Obviously.

Eedat11 votes

Yeah, this is my smurf.

Translation: this is my shitposting account so I can claim to be a Sona/Ashe/Veigar/Morde/Poppy main as the reworks come out

KingWanahakalugi7 votes

I've seen the same guy before. He says he has an EUW account. I don't remember what it is. I didn't bother to go look either after he gave me the name. I just didn't care enough. This guy has an attitude of "I'm right and you're wrong and that's all I have to say about that". However, don't bring rank into the conversation. Rank doesn't mean much. It basically signifies how much time you spend in ranked queue vs. some of the other games. I'm only a silver and I'm sure if I spent more time playing ranked instead of normal 5's with my friend I could at least be mid-gold. I guess I'm just saying that rank isn't a true testament to how much you know about the game.

Du Ma Mi11 votes

True. And more importantly, for some people (including myself), Morde WAS their main. He WAS numero uno (if you don't get it, you aren't permitted to post anymore). And this rework took a FUN champion to play, and turned him into a one dimensional, two-faced bitch of an "adc". I don't care that he wasn't that strong, I used to win all the time with him, because I knew what I was doing. But even if we exclude the "he was bad" aspect that you so much seem to believe, the one thing that they stripped him of, along with his entire fucking identity, was the enjoyment of playing him. There was always an adrenaline rush when you went 1v3, and hit them all with an E+Q combo. Was it enough shield+power for you? Will you die?

HE WAS FUN! Now he's just the fucking "Master of shit"... oh wait, "Lord of shit", my bad.

KingWanahakalugi2 votes

I understand my friend. Morde was my first main. He was the first champ that I bought with IP at lv 12. He got me to 30 almost entirely by himself. I loved the old Morde, the idea of the best defense being more offense. I was very disappointed to see the name change and I wish you the best of luck that they revert it, but I have to say that I actually like the new Morde and his ability to be ADC. Since Old Morde, I became a support main and after the rework. I enjoyed seeing Morde being played by people who may have never touched him before or some that had never even seen a Morde played before. Granted they will never see Huekaiser the way you, I and countless others did, but he is living on in this current form. It gave me a chance to play him in a role that I normally hate, but I enjoyed my time playing him as a carry. It brought me back to what brought me to the game and got me playing just to have fun again. I think Morde as a carry is going to work out as Riot continues to attempt to shift the marksman meta out of the game hopefully. Just give it some time man.

Eedat1 votes

You talking about me?

KingWanahakalugi1 votes

I'm directing the rank comment at you, but I'm talking about Vhalthoria. He tried to use the rank argument against me on another post. Just don't drop to that level man. Have a little more class than that.

DarkSaiint1 votes

If rank, an agglomeration of skill across hundreds of games, doesn't properly represent game knowledge, then what does? I know, sometimes low elo people can be good and high elo people can be bad - but to claim that rank doesn't matter is flat out ignorant.

KingWanahakalugi1 votes

I'm only saying that you shouldn't base your facts solely on people of high ranks. I may not be high ranked but I know plenty about this game. I play enough to know what I'm talking about. I simply don't play ranked because I enjoy playing with my friends, and we often have a odd number of people (usually 3-4). I know we could play Twisted Treeline, but we don't find it as fun as Summoners Rift. So before you judge someone, just know that rank isn't EVERYTHING.

3TWarrior8 votes

lol, the old mordekaiser also had one of the highest win rates in the game, was fun to play as, could fight anyone singlehandedly until very late game (unless they just sheerly outranged him, like Jayce or ziggs/xerath) and he had some of the best waveclear, if not the best, in the game

now he' even slower than he was before...has little to no wave clear...has a very clunky playstyle...and in exchange, he's banned in almost 100% of professional games because he can shut down the main offense of the opposing team while becoming unkillable himself

Raid Boss Morde4 votes

Old Mordekaiser held an average winrate of 50-51%, not the highest. I agree with the second half though.

Ulquiorra9953 votes

Of course we'll come out and complain. What do you expect us to say? "Wow Riot, thanks for ruining my favourite champion! Here's 10$ of RP for that King of Clubs skin he recently got!"

And his new kit isn't bad? He still has low range, is far more dimensional than earlier with hitting that 3rd Q being the sole factor that determines if you delete your enemy or be useless.

KMS Bismarck2 votes

{quoted}

Of course we'll come out and complain. What do you expect us to say? "Wow Riot, thanks for ruining my favourite champion! Here's 10$ of RP for that King of Clubs skin he recently got!"

And his new kit isn't bad? He still has low range, is far more dimensional than earlier with hitting that 3rd Q being the sole factor that determines if you delete your enemy or be useless.

And 325 base move speed lmao(but cry in my heart)

Visigoth9 votes

I mean seriously, the new passive on his ultimate, which is like 2 months old is called Dragonforce. That's not even from old Mordekaiser and it's metal based.

Ludovico1 votes

Thanks for making me break my fingers on Guitar hero again... Through the fire and the flames on professional...

Matezoide6 votes

His E is dead. It isnt metal anymore.

The Soulforged4 votes

How can the guy who made Pentakill not have anything to do with metal? He literally got Jorn Lande (Karthus) to sing in this band of his and he has nothing to do with metal.

DrNova3 votes

There isn't a Morde anymore. Don't know what your talking about

junglerboy162 votes

It actually makes more sense for Nocturne to not be nightmare and fear based than it does to make Mordekaiser not metal based.

I can't put how much I agree with this into words.

IcyPepper2 votes

I like what you're saying OP, but...

Let's be honest, if he were a "Grandmaster" Jax would be old and feeble.

Trust me, if you've ever been to a dojo those grandmasters go from grandpa to badass in no time flat. They might be old, but they sure ain't feeble.

KHAMELEON29962 votes

b4 the rework i played him mid and top and always won then i stopped played league for a while tried him and was like wtf happened to the kit his q requires u to fully commit to a fight instead of snipping a bitch hiding in the back of a minion wave his w would allow u to still get cs while fighting the enemy laner and the e was his bread and butter now it sucks at lvl 3 i could delete a jungler and a top laner rushing me with e w q and ignite the straggler

Hayaishi21 votes

He was never a metal mage, get the fuck out.

His entire kit is based on dark magic/ghosts. ONLY his physical appearance has metal in it.

Riot is absolutely right with this change, only the sheep fail to see this because they only exist to bash Riot without reason.

DrNova4 votes

His shield was swirling metal shards. His Q was a mace that sent maces flying. His aoe made maces appear and hit shit.

Maces=metal. Sure its a lame metal mage idea, but its old, that's still what it was.

Mordepool3 votes

{quoted}

He was never a metal mage, get the fuck out.

His entire kit is based on dark magic/ghosts. ONLY his physical appearance has metal in it.

Riot is absolutely right with this change, only the sheep fail to see this because they only exist to bash Riot without reason.

Your uneducated and your ignorance is laughable

Mickey Donnerudo1 votes

this is the part where we throw our heads back and laugh.

ready?

Mordepool2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mickey Donnerudo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JibEAtdV,comment-id=000d00010000,timestamp=2015-10-16T08:10:21.275+0000)

this is the part where we throw our heads back and laugh.

ready?

Sry I can't. Too depressed

Rufus Crabmiser1 votes

Why are you relating skins to lore Why not call vayne the love hunter because she has a heartseeker skin

see how stupid that shit is?

DrNova4 votes

Notice how you pick random tiny parts out of context?

see how stupid that shit is?

Rufus Crabmiser1 votes

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DrNova2 votes

And there it is, the "I don't have a reasonable argument" line. I win again! /donehere

Rufus Crabmiser1 votes

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DrNova1 votes

And then you get angry because your insult doesnt affect me and you are poor at acting like a well adjusted human being, and I win more. Oh and your post was deleted. :)

Joe Dredd1 votes

Posting here because my thread was deleted for wrong section, but apparently this thread talking about mordes fucking theme is gameplay and balance related, or let me guess, it's ok because any morde thread is instantly spam upvoted and riot doesnt want to have to deal with people crying about riot trying to quiet the community when really they're just following the guidelines.

What i was going to say: I don't think the morde rework sucks. I think that the people here are just a vocal minority. No one likes having their main changed. End of story. But morde's kit never has and never will reflect metal when the most defining part of his kit, which is his ult, has absolutely nothing to do with metal. Like if you blindly asked someone "There is a skill that lets you mark a champion and if they die you control their soul for a while. Who does it belong to? And the choices were the master of metal and the lord of death 100% of people would say the latter.

DrNova1 votes

He WAS metal themed. His shield was swirling shards of metal.

Q send out flying metal maces.

His aoe caused metal maces to appear and hit everything.

He is a walking hunk of metal.

His ult was the only thing with no metal.

Sure, it was pretty lame that's all they came up with for a metal mage, but it was a pretty old champ, and he was metal themed.

He isn't really metal themed now, but lord of death, the lord of death, isn't any better.

He is just named after his ult now? Equally lame.

Lintu Puck1 votes

only gonna respond to your opening. ahem The paragraph we got earlier this week is not the final version. That is only the short form of the lore. Mordekaiser and the others will get a full page of lore within the next few weeks, just like Kindred and Fiora did.

doiminat0r36001 votes

I mean, ___e____e is a really messed up name. But whateves.

BoiBoi1 votes

Old Mordekaiser sucked. His popularity was Garbage. His kit was Garbage. He had no place in the game. Riot wanted to remove him. They didn't. You still complain.

Riot should just burn Mordekaiser alive and delete him off the planet. At least then the cancer in the boards would stop.

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