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So, you know, I think people just don't know how to play Zoe.

Onotori·Mar 3, 2018·3 votes·266 views

Like, sure, her waveclear sucks, so I appreciate that buff coming to it... but I've been doing really well with Zoe lately, even after all her nerfs.

So, I think people just don't know how to play her to her full potential, and instead rely on the E>Q snipe one shot too much. Try playing her like LeBlanc or Fizz, and go in for a quick trade then back out, and don't rely so much on the E>Q snipe -- it's more like a finishing move or something to scare someone out of a teamfight (though you can kill with it if you're fed).

I think the buffs are in the right direction, but I don't want her to become considered "broken" again (even though she never was) and permabanned, since she's easily one of my favorite champs now. >.>

She's just a higher skillfloor / skillcap champ, and there's nothing wrong with that. So, even if her winrate doesn't go up a lot with this next patch, don't keep buffing her. I think she's fine where she is, though a little bump to her waveclear would certainly be nice.

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vgamedudeMar 3, 20181 votes

They need to just wait a bit and buff her back to 8.3 levels after the casters meming in pro play and all the YouTube "ZOE ONE SHOT111!!" crap dies down.

She was interesting and fun the way she played before now she's a hollow shell and feels awful to play. She's also factually trash at the moment.

OnotoriMar 3, 20182 votes

I mean, I've been practically maining her since her release (though I spammed Swain when he launched) and, y'know, she feels great to me. The buff to her passive makes trading in lane easier and more effective, and the increase to W speed early makes being an annoying little pest even better. Her waveclear is weak, but they're fixing that, and giving her more auto range to boot.

I know I always have unpopular opinions, but I like where she's at. She used to do a bit too much damage, but she can still easily one shot people if you play it right, and she causes absolute chaos in a teamfight with summs and items dropping everywhere. It's fun.

vgamedudeMar 3, 20181 votes

She's not going to easily one shot people after all those nerfs. Maybe if you're super fed versus someone horrifically weak with no defense but even then I'm doubtful.

But hell even before one shots werent a common thing. And even when you saw them it was again, against people without defense and also usually the full E, q, r, auto combo. Hardly a one shot.

You won't ever convince me she was broken because from all objective measures she wasn't at all and riot gutted her for nothing. It's sickening.

xelakerMar 3, 20181 votes

[zombie-nunu-tears]

OnotoriMar 3, 20182 votes

Oh no she was never broken, I'm just saying she's not as bad as everyone is pretending she is. The only part of her kit that's actually bad right now is her waveclear.

And you can actually one shot once you get a Luden's and hit a squishy that's got ~3/4 health with your E, then the followup Q. A full health ADC or something, you can combo them (not a one shot, but it happens pretty quickly) if you're somewhat fed.

xelakerMar 3, 20181 votes

she's fine where she's at, totes agree. I don't play her, but you can def see the difference between a good zoe that can pull of the burst with the recent nerfs and the old zoe where anyone who wasn't brain dead could 3/4 a tank with a sleepy Q

RainXBladeMar 3, 20181 votes

I mean, she is a champion built for one thing, and that's to one-shot the first squishy she sees.

OnotoriMar 3, 20182 votes

I mean, that's one thing she can sometimes do, but that's not the only thing she's designed to do.

chipndip1Mar 3, 20181 votes

As long as she's not buffed, I'm going to ban every Zoe from my team. Period.

OnotoriMar 3, 20181 votes

What was that? I couldn't hear you over all the bleating.

chipndip1Mar 3, 20181 votes

I said:

Some dude in Silver with a negative Zoe win rate shouldn't be telling anyone jack shit about how good or bad Zoe is after she's been intentionally dumpstered by Riot, so I'm going to ban her until she's buffed next patch because she's absolutely horrible atm.

OnotoriMar 3, 20181 votes

Take a look at that link up there, and look at the games I lost. I was destroying the enemy team (in one I even got a quadra 1v4ing), but Zoe can't carry being as squishy as she is. WR isn't all that determines how good or bad a champ is.

And I thought Zoe was dumpstered too. But then I played her again, despite people telling me not to, and she's totally fine. She lacks any meaningful waveclear, but you can play around that. Fairweather mains will tell you a different story though.

chipndip1Mar 3, 20181 votes

The cool thing about CertainlyT champs is that they feel super good to play, even when they're bad.

That said, Zoe is bad right now. I'm not gonna rain on your parade, though...unless you do that passive-aggressive thing again.

OnotoriMar 3, 20181 votes

I mean, if Zoe was bad, I wouldn't be averaging a 5:1 or better every game I've played after her nerf. :P

Zoe is more than just one shots; she has a kit with a ton of potential in it, and she thrives off of creativity on the fly and chaos in teamfights and whatnot. Just because she's not working for everyone doesn't mean she's bad. There are a lot of Zoe mains still out there from bronze to challenger (go look at /r/zoemains) that are doing fine.

As I said, just because a champ has a skill floor that not everyone can reach doesn't mean they need buff after buff.

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