What's the excuse? Kai'sa is entirely broken, and you cannot deny it when she is still very much so more than a month after her release.
And this isn't even limited to low ELO or high ELO, either. She's freelo across the board.
MagicFlyingLlama58 votesRemember when everyone was screaming for buffs and riot replied that they wont change her until her winrate stabilizes?
Turns out we dont need that buff. This is why kneejerk reactions and balance do not work well together.
Onotori14 votesI remember calling her broken from the day she released (and no one believed me), and I was wondering what the hell was wrong with Riot when they buffed her.
But then, she is an ADC, and she's flashy, so she's gotta be broken at least until LC$ is done.
3411235456528 votesI remember calling her broken from the day she released (and no one believed me), and I was wondering what the hell was wrong with Riot when they buffed her.
But then, she is an ADC, and she's flashy, so she's gotta be broken at least until LC$ is done.
Shes not even flashy lmao, she just has well done auto attack animations when really the person playing it is just standing there afk right clicking after charging in with R.
Z3Sleeper3 votesShe does have some pretty sick auto attack animations that really make her pop out like she's doing a hell of a lot when in reality her kit consists of nothing but basic attacking and using her auto targeted Q.
Ragnaveil11 votesI knew her range was an issue, her E took a bit too long in terms of locking out autos, and her passive being a tad bit weak. But I sure as hell don't remember asking for Q ratio buffs. The ratio is a bit OTT on both Q and W I will say.
Grokmir5 votesRemember when everyone was screaming for buffs and riot replied that they wont change her until her winrate stabilizes?
Turns out we dont need that buff. This is why kneejerk reactions and balance do not work well together.
She definitely needed a buff from release, but Riot went way overboard with the buffs. She would've been fine if they cut the buffs in half.
34112354565219 votesImagine coming into a "Kai'sa is overpowered and heres why" thread just to downvote it and everybody in it. Imagine being THAT much of a delusional toxic douchebag who doesnt care about the state of the game in the slightest. Or just selfish enough to want to abuse it for freelo at the cost of the game/others.
greekvandaL7 votesImagine coming into a "Kai'sa is overpowered and heres why" thread just to downvote it and everybody in it. Imagine being THAT much of a delusional toxic douchebag who doesnt care about the state of the game in the slightest. Or just selfish enough to want to abuse it for freelo at the cost of the game/others.
adc and support mains.
Cavemantero11 votesFotM. Its about LCS views for advertising $ and making sure new champs make the cut are important for that. Actual balance and fun gameplay are way down the list for riot now.
Onotori6 votesHonestly true. : /
TwinkiePro10 voteshttp://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html
Current changes to the PBE. I'm glad they waited this long instead of doing a buff like they originally planned.
Onotori15 votesYeah, no. That's a fucking placebo nerf. She needs much, much harder nerfs than that. That's a little lovetap.
The ratio on her W needs to go down, and % damage on her passive needs to go down. She's already got god tier autos thanks to the bullshit items ADCs have, so her abilities don't need to do 800+ damage each.
And it's easy to tell if a champ is too strong, too weak or just right. But balance doesn't make money in an F2P game, especially when new stuff is involved, so we'll just ignore everything and let champs warp the game for months on end to make some money off of them.
TwinkiePro11 votesYeah, no. That's a fucking placebo nerf. She needs much, much harder nerfs than that. That's a little lovetap.
The ratio on her W needs to go down, and % damage on her passive needs to go down. She's already got god tier autos thanks to the bullshit items ADCs have, so her abilities don't need to do 800+ damage each.
And it's easy to tell if a champ is too strong, too weak or just right. But balance doesn't make money in an F2P game, especially when new stuff is involved, so we'll just ignore everything and let champs warp the game for months on end to make some money off of them.
A placebo in this game would be closer to changing twitch passive from 3/4/5/6/7 to 4/5/6/7/8. That is a placebo. Doe she need nerfs? yes. Does she need a full blown nerf hammer? maybe, but do we really want to olaf a champ?
Onotori9 votesDoe she need nerfs? yes. Does she need a full blown nerf hammer? maybe, but do we really want to olaf a champ?
I'm totally fine with Olaf-ing an ADC. They've been entirely ignored by the balance team for too long now, and they need some time not being the best class by far.
Ragnaveil3 votesUh, pretty sure you forgot they were gonna address ADC's in the MIDSEASON. I'd like to point out we are roughly 3 patches from midseason.
Onotori2 votesIt's funny how ADCs have been an issue since at least preseason 7, but we're ONLY NOW looking at nerfing them. Almost like Riot is milking it a bit, huh?
Infernape3 votesGo back a little. The ardent meta happened before that lol
Sp33d Zer04 votesArdent was the end of S7.
Spârky3 votesyou actually think video game businesses make money from letting a fotm pick go un nerfed. Most video game industries have to change stuff like that otherwise their monthly income actually goes down. your logic is backward. Riot needs to keep the people happy in order to make money. So by letting a majority of the people hate a champion (zoe lol) they actually push people away from the game and then they don't get revenue from those people buying stuff for their game. My credentials for knowing this is just general business stuff which is what im going to college for. I'm just so tired of people thinking riot just lets champs go crazy for months. They probably nerf slow because they don't want to overreact and people say it takes too long but then if they "olaf" a champ people on the boards freak out saying they went way out of line. Such is the life of the boards where it is such a small percentage of the community that thinks that riot balances the entire game around the boards and reddit... my personal thoughts as an adc main is that kaisa is annoying but there are some matchups that kaisa just hates like ezreal and caitlyn but from my experience any engage support or support with cc against kaisa is super good against her and if kaisa doesn't have a support with reliable cc in lane she is really hard to play then because shes a good kill lane with the likes of leona and alistar and thresh.
3411235456524 voteshttp://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html
Current changes to the PBE. I'm glad they waited this long instead of doing a buff like they originally planned.
What is with you shit posters linking the pbe? Yes we realize there is a fucking .05 ad ratio nerf, it will not matter.
TwinkiePro9 votesWhat is with you shit posters linking the pbe? Yes we realize there is a fucking .05 ad ratio nerf, it will not matter.
HP regen also took a hit. You would know that if you read it.
Try to be civilized, this kind of attitude will get you banned in time.
3411235456522 votesHP regen also took a hit. You would know that if you read it.
Try to be civilized, this kind of attitude will get you banned in time.
Again you are shit posting. Did you read HOW MUCH her hp regen took a hit? Maybe perhaps YOU need to read? Maybe perhaps hp regen isnt the reason at all why people are angry? My attitude may get me banned but your attitude will : https://imgur.com/a/OiHtu
TwinkiePro6 votesAgain you are shit posting. Did you read HOW MUCH her hp regen took a hit? Maybe perhaps YOU need to read? Maybe perhaps hp regen isnt the reason at all why people are angry? My attitude may get me banned but your attitude will : https://imgur.com/a/OiHtu
Calm down, dont be
THAT much of a delusional toxic douchebag
Relax.
:)
ModPeriscope3 votesA reminder to both you and 135165612343ZJ to please be civil in your discourse.
Velzard of Koz2 votesI'd like to point out the douchebag thing is Twinkie quoting 135numbernumber from another of 135numbernumber's posts.
Hibeki5 votesThat hp regen nerf isnt shit
TyroneWatermelon7 votesShe deals more damage than hypercarries without building crit lol
saltran6 votesWhy, why say "not one nerf" in the title if she's already getting a nerf in the PBE.
You may argue that she needs more nerfs and I AGREE, but I just don't understand why you have to lie.
Rathar Dashing2 votesMhm. It's also not like she was hotfix nerfed one day after she was raised out of trash tier.
Rayjay Redfang5 votesSomeone may have already mentioned but she is getting nerfs on the pbe
T4underbolt2 votesIf you call -5 base dmg and -5 movement speed a nerf then how about we revert gragas to his old release self where he was oneshoting people with ult alone and then nerf 5 base dmg from his ult and call it a nerf. Do you feel like it's a nerf?
edit: LoL I just saw its a discussion about kaisa meanwhile janna is in the same spot hence my comment. Holy sht riot did it this time very well.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votes-5ms is way more of a change than -5 damage on an ult. It's more than fifty less damage on an ult.
Base Movement speed and base attack range are the two most vital numbers in the game. If you shift those even slightly, you can cause a massive change to winrate. If you buffed, say, Ashe or Mordekaiser by just 5 MS, they'd be instantly broken.
T4underbolt1 votesThis change is as impactful as 0.25 sec more cd on Zoe Q. Please don't embarrass yourself with such statements like it is a huge nerf.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesDude.
That's just blatantly wrong.
-5ms is enough to drop 2% winrate when you're fairly mobile (meaning it should have the least impact on you). We saw this happen to Lee.
mack91125 votesThere are nerfs on the pbe. She is a new Champ and will take time to align to a balanced state it will probably take a few patches . Too dramatic of nerfs would probably make her relatively new player base drop her so she will receive small nerfs over a few patches . Chill out man they are doing there best.
Onotori2 votesWithin one or two patches, we GUTTED Zoe -- and she never had over a 50% WR.
So... Doing their best? Fuck that noise. This is called milking.
CasterGilgamesh3 votesyour comparing zoe...a champion that uses summoner spells like basic abilities to kaisa.....ok [zombie-brand-clap]
Onotori3 votesI'm comparing a champ that is highly telegraphed, all skillshots, entirely blocked by minions / other people, squishy to no end, immobile and otherwise easily beaten to an ADC that statchecks you, has shields and mobility, invisibility, no meaningful CDs or costs, no telegraphing, and all that. Yeah.
Oh also the fact that Zoe never had a 50% WR, while Kai'sa has double the playrate Zoe ever did with a 54%+ WR.
CasterGilgamesh3 votesit doesnt matter win rate...Zoe was just horrible insanely frustrating to play against and the fact she could just put you to sleep close range then nuke you was just...i cant even with her [zombie-brand-facepalm]
MagicFlyingLlama4 votesZoe had a 55-56%(citation?) winrate for a few weeks.
Onotori1 votesHighest she ever got was around 51%.
MagicFlyingLlama4 votesYeah, no. It was over 54%, unless you twist numbers really hard like only counting OCE plat+ or something equally dumb.
Supreme Senpai695 votesIt's almost like people begged Riot not to buff her. Hrm. Almost like buffing a brand new champion is a bad idea because you don't have accurate data. HRMMM.
Onotori6 votesBut she wasn't getting people to buy enough RP! How can we just leave her below an absurd pick and winrate? C'mon now, you gotta think about the quality of the game!
Z3Sleeper4 votesThere's some HEAVY nerfs on the PBE right now...
-10% AD on Q. Topkek
EDIT: WAIT NO I WAS WRONG. IT'S -5% LOL!
Late For Tea4 votesShe's still a new champion, and Riot still has to earn more $$$ from her. This is why she got almost her entire kit buffed in a single patch, instead of the slow, methodical buffs over multiple patches.
