They're the easiest, most reliable damage source in the game, yet they do by far the most damage in the game, both sustained and burst.
Why?
And on top of that, why do autos have the most sustain and the most item diversity?
If you want to talk "fair," then the easiest source of damage should be one of the weakest.
SEKAI31 votesI have no issues of having AA being the strongest form of damage, because it's the only forms of damage that has typically the shortest "CD" if we don't consider the 0 CD oddballs like Yasuo, it has no cost whatsoever, and will never miss within normal circumstances, hence augmenting it with AD items and whatever makes strong and reliable source of damage.
So that is fine, at least when it comes to LATE GAME damage, after when the AA has been seriously boosted by items.
What is NOT fine, is as briefly touched on, the fact the game is heavily skewed towards making AA FAR more appealing than any other forms of damage (think the assassin rework that delayed assassin burst for the supposed counterplay reasons, but then leave crit AA 1shots, which is definitely far more problematic than an assassin blowing someone instantly because at least the latter rotated their skills into CD, completely scot free), with things like the removal of spell vamp but keep lifesteal, AD items being far more diverse than the AP component with all kinds of unique procs and whatnot, late game ADCs spike "late game" way too early, crit items being way too cheap and scale way too well or otherwise the continuously borked crit balance, and things like that.
I wouldn't say the problem is rooted in AA itself, per se.
Break It Down3 votesIts the cost of Tank and Adc items that's the problem with the game 2 cheap but 2 good, dont let me get stared on runes , hello electrocute 50sec cd till lvl 5, while FFW gets charged every 2.5 sec , and literaly heals u back for free, The fuck ?[sg-lux-2]
Onotori8 votesOn a hit-per-hit basis, an auto should come nowhere near an ability that has a 5x longer CD and actually has a cost associated with it, especially if it's a skillshot. I'm fine with autos doing the most sustained damage, but burst per second is not okay. You basically have to instantly kill the ADC, Yi, Win Nhao, Jax, etc., or you just straight up die since you can't out DPS them and can't get through their lifesteal.
iPooUnicorns1 votesI agree as far as ranged ADCs go, but for melee AA champions, they take a much higher risk to do high damage.
fruckyoo10 votesNot to insult you, but I don't think you have much experience playing the game if that's what you think. Yes "over time" AA champions will typically out damage anyone/everything. But take Syndra for example, on equal level as..Varus, she can eliminate him with one round of her combo..Q+W on the orb left from Q+W-E+Q+R = dead varus if you have about 20% cdr on syndra. And Veigar..well Veigar can just E+Q+W+R. Pretty much every mid lane meta mage can do this to any ADC/AA champion.
Sire Hippington4 votesthing is, come to lategame(which happens nearly 20 min in these days), AAs are not far behind a mage's burst combo while haveing no downtime and beeing point n click. Mages still have the range advantage usually, so they can evt combo you befor you do much to them, but at 3-4 items, if varus avoids/survives the syndra combo, he will kill her in the duration of his ult CC befor she can get another spellrotation.
Obivously saying that AAs outburst mages is an overstatment, but it isn't that far from the truth either to a point where you either oneshot the adc or die befor you're next spell is off CD(if you are in range, which is why mage>>>>Assasin in high elo, as they can stay out of adc range unlike assasins). Their overall damage is just far to high for beeing consitent and 100% reliable.
DoktorKaiser1 votesIf it was that simple then mages would be the best class in the game instead of ADC dominating heavily. In actual teamfight most ADC will stick back and AA everyone dealing tons of damage CONSISTENTLY, while mid , in order to kill the ADC, should just jerk off and hope that his team can take out the frontline, in reality mages will just blow their combo on someone else and wait for their cooldowns which they won't get because Vayne with 2 items tumbles to 1 shot you even after mutliple nerfs. And she isn't even the worst offender. The game is fucking sad, this is the first time in history that PRO PLAYERS and CHALLENGERS come out to say that the game is fucking garbage AND ACTUALLY QUIT THE LEAGUE. I am on the verge of quitting myself, I can't wait for the fucking mid year ADC rework, it has to come in next few patches or I am out and I bet that many other think the same way or already quit long time ago.
FebruAhri8 votesas it is, the only reason you would ever pick an AP champion is so that the enemy team cant stack only armor. there is no other reason to pick ap champions
MrHaZeYo6 votesI mean most mages can out burst a auto pretty easily. Then you have someone like Cass and Ryze who can chain gun you down lol.
Onotori14 votesI have literally never seen a mage one shot someone (and no, not Zoe. I'm talking literally one cast = instant death). I've seen Vayne do it plenty of times.
RenownedWheat4217 votesSo you've never seen a one-cast = death from a mage, but you've seen a one-auto = death from a vayne?
Bullshit.
Onotori11 votesGo look on Youtube. Hundreds of videos of Vayne Q > Autoing and doing over 1.6k damage (enough to kill any ADC and most mids)
RenownedWheat429 votesMaybe a fed as fuck Vayne against a squishy with no defenses dealing a crit + shiv proc + rfc proc + 70% auto from Q is gonna hit hard as fuck, but that's not gonna be constant autos. That's one, amplified by four different things.
Next auto won't have shiv + rfc + q bonus added on. No more bullshit than walking up to a bush and getting stunned and deleted by Syndra QER.
Onotori13 votesYeah, and then she does 500-600 an auto twice a second until you die (unless RNG hates her and she never crits with 70% crit). You can't outrun a Vayne either, so you're just kinda dead.
RocketRelm2 votesDon't forget the fact that she'll have Tumble back in sub-2 seconds, and can often squeeze a condemn stun in to squeak some free hits.
DeusVult2 votesIf Vayne has 70% crit, she is guaranteed to crit 1 out of every two autos, if not every auto. Because that is the way crit is coded.
Also Vayne Q crit is disgusting for a champ that has such a huge DPS mechanic attached to her W
MrHaZeYo3 votesI've never seen a Vayne 1 shot a champion before. Assuming she's not fed out of her mind at 15 mins. Even Draven requires two hits.
BestPudgeNA9 votesADCs in 2018 be like
I didn't one shot you i killed you in 3 autos in 1.2second That's fair right
But i'm 2 levels up on you
Get gud
Hópe3 votesADCs in 2018 be like
550 range assassin marksmen vs a long range poke mage.
BestPudgeNA1 votesassassin marksmen
[sg-lux-2]
Funkin Dunkin1 votesI've never seen a Vayne 1 shot a champion before. Assuming she's not fed out of her mind at 15 mins. Even Draven requires two hits.
Isn't 2 hits even a bit extreme?
MrHaZeYo1 votesYa, but it's a bit more in the realm of possibility.
The Volcano22 votes
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Nyarlathοtep3 votesIndeed he will one shot you. If you are low on hp that is.
MuffledGarbage3 votesstill takes 50+ minutes of farming stacks to get to literal oneshots tho :^)
SephAgro1 votesyes, and then wabble away. adcs however will one shot you and your entire team individually then a tower if its nearby or two
The Volcano1 votesyes, and then wabble away. adcs however will one shot you and your entire team individually then a tower if its nearby or two
a veigar w can oneshot an entire team under specific circumstances if you get lich bane with him he can oneshot a turret. But I don't think that a marksmen will one shot a turret but anythings possible.
NemeBro2 votesI have literally never seen a mage one shot someone (and no, not Zoe. I'm talking literally one cast = instant death). I've seen Vayne do it plenty of times.
VoraciousX1 votesI mean that Zoe was 2 levels up and almost full build.
Onotori2 votesMages are telegraphed, mostly skillshots, and have long cooldowns. Most champs who rely on autos have several items to take no damage from said mage, and even have items to get back up after dying. And with Statik, RFC and crit, their first auto is goinna do half your health, and there's nothing you can do about it since you have cooldowns.
So, yeah, a mage might be able to full combo and do more damage than one auto, but at the second auto the clicker is goinna be doing more damage.
And I've never seen a mage use literally one button and make someone disappear.
MrHaZeYo2 votesI've never seen a AA completely one shot someone either lol. Also it's not telegraphed when a ADC walks up to you that he's going to attack?
The point is though that most mages can combo out a squishy, it's.
Dock With Me5 votesPlay Evelynn one game. Delete the ADC in 1 Q E combo.
Onotori8 votesOnly if you're like 15/0. A 0/15 ADC who farmed for 15 minutes could one shot, while Eve can't do that.
big boi edri10 votesThat's an exaggeration.
Abraxus follower3 votesis it tho ?
big boi edri10 votesIt really is... 0/15 farming for 15 minutes to 1 shot. C'mon, lol.
Abraxus follower2 votesi was talking about the q e combo :0
Kythers3 votesSEKAI8 votes
TeCoolMage2 votesOh no not the n word..
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Snowman Arc2 votesAutos only do more damage if you go full build. A lich bane Viktor will always outdamage any auto attack.
SB Arneeman6 votesDepends. As a 300k+ mastery Viktor player, I don't think I've oneshot someone with Q only, however an overfed Draven for example can do that. And Viktor Q has a cooldown, even though it's short, while ADCs can keep autoing for crits up to 1k dmg with fullbuild.
5050BS2 votesThis is because of Crit. Crit and lifeSteal is just broken, If AP had a stat like called "Arcane Surge" that doubled our AP on next cast we would see AP doing the same thing.
Crit and LifeSteal means a ADC can LITERALLY heal 200-300 per Auto attack....
tea tìme2 votesYeah... It's "broken..." Sure... That's if everyone on your team has left the 15/0/3 Draven unchecked...
Judging by the looks of your match history.. Don't be hypocritical.
Snowman Arc1 votesNot talking about one shotting, but you still can deal about 1500 damage with just that. Draven can only do that if he has stacked his firecannon + shiv. Let's not mention the fact that Viktor can still poke from a mile away for big damage with his E and can bring out huge AoE with his R and zone with his W.
