If Sejuani was crowding out picks in the jungle, what is Cho doing in the top lane?

melior sum·Sep 16, 2018·20 votes·7,863 views

The general reasoning from what I can find is that, the balance team wanted to nerf Sejuani because she was crowding out to many picks from the jungle on either side.

What is cho doing in the top lane?

Tanky as hell? Check

One item power spike with rightous glory? Check

One shot potential? Check

Insane lane sustain/trading capability? Check

A lot of utility (AoE silence that gets to two seconds and a malphite ultimate on a shorter CD)? Check

Where are the nerfs for cho on that basis?

21 Comments

MrFawknSunshineSep 16, 201815 votes

so i guess you are wondering why sej got nerfed and cho hasnt been touched. well sej nerf was for pro play lcs. where she is a constant pick in jungle cuz very few tank junglers were viable in pro play. hence her crowding out other junglers. however top lane there is a lot of ways to deal with cho and he isnt crowding out other top laners. right now in pro play the pick/ban top laner is urgot.

Gregorovic08Sep 16, 20182 votes

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so i guess you are wondering why sej got nerfed and cho hasnt been touched. well sej nerf was for pro play lcs. where she is a constant pick in jungle cuz very few tank junglers were viable in pro play. hence her crowding out other junglers. however top lane there is a lot of ways to deal with cho and he isnt crowding out other top laners. right now in pro play the pick/ban top laner is urgot.

Not sure if this is true or not but I thought I heard that Urgot was pick/ban for mid lane as we could outdamage and outtank anyone there.

MrFawknSunshineSep 16, 20182 votes

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Not sure if this is true or not but I thought I heard that Urgot was pick/ban for mid lane as we could outdamage and outtank anyone there.

even before rework he use to be a counter pick mid lane due to tankyness. but for the most part you see him top in pro play i havent seen him mid yet ( dont mean it didnt /dont happen) i dont watch as much pro play as i use to. but urgot mid use to counter ad assassins pre rework i could see how that could still be used .

ValiantKillerSep 16, 20181 votes

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even before rework he use to be a counter pick mid lane due to tankyness. but for the most part you see him top in pro play i havent seen him mid yet ( dont mean it didnt /dont happen) i dont watch as much pro play as i use to. but urgot mid use to counter ad assassins pre rework i could see how that could still be used .

urgot is the perfect counter to assassin right now, he one of the best champions that can put Talon MonkeyKing Zed etc into their place.

chipndip1Sep 16, 20182 votes

None of those are pro picks except Talon, and Talon's only occasional. Urgot has nothing to do with any of them.

ValiantKillerSep 16, 20181 votes

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None of those are pro picks except Talon, and Talon's only occasional. Urgot has nothing to do with any of them.

I know just commenting that on the fact he good at countering ad assassin mid lane.

chipndip1Sep 17, 20181 votes

Oh, carry on.

Somber RitesSep 16, 20181 votes

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Not sure if this is true or not but I thought I heard that Urgot was pick/ban for mid lane as we could outdamage and outtank anyone there.

He can, but only under the right circumstances. He's a counter-engager, so he ends up countering a lot of powerful hypercarries and assassins, because they have to get right up in your face, and that's exactly where Urgot wants you.

He's a decent pick, but his kit relies on your team knowing what their doing. A common tactic in LCS rn is an Urgot top and a Cho jungle. Urgot's biggest weakness is people who can get away from him before he can chunk them, Chogath just prevents them from running entirely. And between the two of them, they can chunk just about anyone pretty damn quick.

TL;DR: It's not Urgot that's too strong, it's his synergy with Chogath (and high CC junglers in general) that is. (well, I mean, true damage too, but that's beating a dead horse at this stage)

Tahminatrix Sep 16, 201814 votes

Cho`s q is easy to dodge, until you realize he placed it behind you so now you have to run into his mouth to not get knockedup.

TeémòSep 16, 201812 votes

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Cho`s q is easy to dodge, until you realize he placed it behind you so now you have to run into his mouth to not get knockedup.

Or he can use his E to slow you and then he doesnt have to miss place his Q.[sg-lux-2]

saltranSep 16, 20183 votes

Then exactly what are you doing melee to a Cho'Gath?

Somebody Love MeSep 17, 20185 votes

Playing top lane

crippler38Sep 17, 20181 votes

Why do you think they buy Righteous Glory?

D357R0Y3RSep 16, 201810 votes

wtf is this thread

urgot and aatrox are the one crowding out toplaners atm

L Psy KongrooSep 16, 20188 votes

Fuck, I WISH I could play against a Cho'gath top. All I get matched against are Aatrox, Irelia, and Fiora.

JiañgSep 17, 20181 votes

all i go against are pure tanks that wont go near me until they have their jungler diving me because towers are made of paper and since im not full tank i cant survive shit.

oh and the lovely darius.

super exciting lane

abca98Sep 16, 20184 votes

I understand that the mini rework was neccesary to update him, but did they really have to eliminate the stack cap of R?

DisulfiramSep 16, 20183 votes

I'll never forget that "mini rework", it was hilarious... they wanted to bring him in line with the newer champs, and in order to achieve that they had to:

Add an hp scaling to his E
Add a stack scaling to his E
Add a slow to his E
Remove the stack cap to his Ult
Give his ult HP scaling
Remove the stack loss on death

Imho there's no better photograph of power creep than simply listing what they had to add to Cho

[sg-miss-fortune]

NichtHurzSep 17, 20181 votes

Yeah, Cho really feels like on of those stat-check champs. Sucks complete ass if he's behind, but due to his scaling he can slowly stack his ult to 6 stacks and suddenly be way too tanky for many opponents to fight. Kinda frustrating.