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How has Graves/Jhin avoided nerfs for the past few patches?

melior sum··85 votes·18,269 views

What are you guys doing over there in the balance team? Seriously, I know budget cuts are deep but damn, you guys can't afford a PC monitor and an internet connection to see how they have been dominating Solo Q for like the past 4 or 5 patches?

You literally created a crit item that may as well said "Here Jhin, take this, your name is engraved on the bottom of the item" and you don't fucking even try to balance him around that item. Let alone the rune that lets him run at mach 1

Better nerf Sejuani though, because she was such a menace in pro play right? Fuck me and logic, SHE WASN'T EVEN AN ISSUE IN PRO PLAY.

Nah, actually better yet, nerf Fizz one patch after you give him buffs because people have no idea how to play safe in lane against an assassin.

You know what, nah, let's top that, let's reduce Garens damage by 5-10 damage in laning phase, because that's what was really causing the issues people were having with him. Not the insane tankyness or sustain or the silence on a short CD that makes it hard to survive lane against him.

But you know what, props to the balance team anyway, you made a meta shifting decision when you gave Viktor 100 range on his gravity field and 100g off his first hexcore buy (which does nothing if you do the calculations because at that point you're backing with the gold you need for the hexcore, all they're giving you is a control ward).

10/10

86 Comments

koshkyra42 votes

Nah, actually better yet, nerf Fizz one patch after you give him buffs because people have no idea how to play safe in lane against an assassin.

Yes, when i got 100-0d under my tower by an 0/1 Fizz with only item 3145 it was because I wasn't playing safe enough.

invisiblecat11 votes

https://youtu.be/wYY5gDVdaxY

This too

Verxint1 votes

42 to 17.. I'm gonna guess that Fizz was fed as hell. Not a good example.

invisiblecat12 votes

It doesn't really matter how fed someone is

In this clip I was strong, but someone should AT LEAST be given 1 second to react to an assassin

Fizz was nerfed partially because he dealt too much burst damage

PowerSlave99325 votes

MissFortune needs nerf Nami is played so much and definitely needs nerf Jhin nerf! Graves nerf Kaisa NERF Kayn nerf BUT HEY LET'S NERF RYZE AGAIN! :O

It's all because of LC$. They want those super flashy plays and these champs above are the most played ones there. They are so mobile and have tons of damage. Don't expect nerfs for them. They bring ''satisfy'' gameplay.

saltran6 votes

It's all because of LC$. They want those super flashy plays and these champs above are the most played ones there. They are so mobile and have tons of damage. Don't expect nerfs for them. They bring ''satisfy'' gameplay.

Only Kai'Sa is a strong pick on pro play and Graves is quite relevant from your list, all the other champs you listed are irrelevant on the "LC$" and have been for this whole season or even more time.

saltran5 votes

Just, why do ppl always list champs that are not played on pro play and try to argue that those are not nerfed because Rito wants them on pro play for the "BiG pLaYs"?

It happens too many time on the Boards and is just pathetic.

Wizard Blaze20 votes

Nami is played so much and definitely needs nerf

that makes no sense

Krully4 votes

other supports are pretty guff in contrast to nami, she's more then good and picked a lot. I'd tone down her ebb and flow damage so she's less oppressive, then buff the other supports. I'd also nerf lux into the gutter

Wizard Blaze11 votes

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other supports are pretty guff in contrast to nami, she's more then good and picked a lot. I'd tone down her ebb and flow damage so she's less oppressive, then buff the other supports. I'd also nerf lux into the gutter

people play Nami right because THEY know how to play her. and not because she is powerful. She is squishy and die from one shot or two from assassins or some melee. and she is Mana hungry.

hsumis1ove1 votes

I don't play nami, but as an ADC main I think when the assassin focuses my support, we tend to win more fights.

Ranmiaku1 votes

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people play Nami right because THEY know how to play her. and not because she is powerful. She is squishy and die from one shot or two from assassins or some melee. and she is Mana hungry.

hahaha they know how to play her? how can you not know how to play her honestly, i played her for the first time in a game yesterday and i zoned the enemy bot lane completely off the wave early game with the opressive braindead poke

Wind Titty10 votes

Imagine thinking lux is strong

agac42344 votes

gtfo kayn doesnt need a nerf lmao ur just retarded just buy GW

Saitho Orihara3 votes

Kayn ? Why would Kayn need nerf ? I've seen little Kayn, pretty sure I'll see more with the new skin but not because he's strong, he's pretty balance.

The rest yeah they kinda need nerfs, but Kayn ? [sg-lulu]

Vlada Cut5 votes

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MissFortune needs nerf Nami is played so much and definitely needs nerf Jhin nerf! Graves nerf Kaisa NERF Kayn nerf BUT HEY LET'S NERF RYZE AGAIN! :O

It's all because of LC$. They want those super flashy plays and these champs above are the most played ones there. They are so mobile and have tons of damage. Don't expect nerfs for them. They bring ''satisfy'' gameplay.

Did you just call MissFortune mobile?! [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Daddy Ants24 votes

How's MissFortune Nami avoided nerfs for the entire season?

GrãñðmãstêrShãçø7 votes

Same i hate mf

Somebody Love Me7 votes

Nami isn't that broken honestly. She's good bc early game ADCs are good. And she's mostly a laner. She's not as good as any other enchanter out of lane because her peel abilities are too slow and must be landed.

Her heal is on a higher CD than most and costs so much mana.

She's honestly a win lane support that synergizes with all the strong win lane ADCs like Jhin, Draven, Lucian, and MF.

LTK KoRo13 votes

Because Riot caters to crybaby ADC mains, and after 8.11 fiasco they're scared to nerf any ADC

Anidan4 votes

What, is this opposed to tank mains that cry any time a tank isn't required on teams? Or is this opposed to support mains that cry out any time a nerf bat taps their sanctimonious role? Or is this opposed to assassins who whine any time they aren't optimal? Or what about Bruisers?

The narrative that it's only ADC mains is pretty depressing when you take a step back and realize every role has its fair share of crybabies. And no, there's no "at least my role has less".

LTK KoRo2 votes

I can totally agree that every role have crybabies. And every role cries about it being weak. But do you remember the reddit/boards uproar after 8.11? It was something bigger than usual, ADCs went apeshit. There aren't "more" crybaby ADCs. They just whine harder, same with mages. There is a reason why most of boards threads are anti-assassin and anti-bruiser while being pro-mage and to some extend pro-adc.

saltran2 votes

Are you saying that the Boards are on some extend pro-adc?

I wish you remember how was the Boards the months before 8.11 becauset that was the most blatant anti adc forum I've ever seen, to the point that they were pretending that the 8.11 nerfs would be a BUFF to adcs because "InFiNiTtY eDgE dOuBlEs yOuR cRiT hOw Is ThAt A nErF?"

And the Boards are also pretty pro bruisers on extend if you say that about adcs, because even if right now there are not, they were here crying about tanks meta.

LTK KoRo1 votes

Let's just say boards are pro-mage. Boards are complaining about everything not called mage.

saltran1 votes

It's always weird when I defend assasins on the Gameplay Boards as an adc main, like, it's not that I love assasins specially but I hate more the "muh assasins dont take skill" circlejerk

LTK KoRo1 votes

I couldn't defend adcs now since no one complains about them. Personally i think Kai'sa and Tristana are busted kit wise, Jhin is busted numbers wise, but rest of adcs are fine for me. Also i have personal hateboner for Vayne.

Bjørnetjenesten11 votes

Gonna downvote just cause u support fizz.

PaffWasTaken11 votes

*Op declares that Graves and Jhin are problematic for the game*

Me: Hell yeah dude go tell'em

*Op declares Fizz's absurd buffs were correct and that it was people's fault for not playing safe against an hyper scaling lane dominating assassin who snowballs with a item 3057 *

Me: https://i.imgur.com/vwvIyEjh.jpg[/img]

Paíntchip7 votes

They sell skins

AIIan7 votes

Don't nerf my boy Jhin !!

I don't trust Riot AT ALL to do the right thing. You can bet your ass that if they do nerf Jhin, they'll then nerf his items in the next patch but won't revert his nerfs, leaving him in the gutter exactly like they did with my boy Tham Kench.

So plz don't. Thx.

agac42345 votes

jhin is op af right now he needs a nerf lmao

Sex With Annie5 votes

He's barely holding onto a 51% wr "lmao" op af "lmao"

agac42347 votes

barely? its becuase he has a 23% pick rate ppl that dont know how to play him feed then once that do now how to play him cant be touched becuase of his MS.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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He's barely holding onto a 51% wr "lmao" op af "lmao"

Bruh, win rates mean jack shit. There is a reason Jhin's Pick rate spiked from 5% to 20+%... it anit cause he is balanced

Sex With Annie2 votes

Jhin has always had one of the highest pickrates, of all adcs. You're pulling this spike out of your ass. Complain all you want, he's not getting nerfed, Riot doesn't take the boards seriously and with good reason.

BestPudgeNA2 votes

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Jhin has always had one of the highest pickrates, of all adcs. You're pulling this spike out of your ass. Complain all you want, he's not getting nerfed, Riot doesn't take the boards seriously and with good reason.

Nope dude sorry you can't accept facts the pick rate spiked once stormrazor/hail of blades became things. I know Riot won't nerf him, he is an ADC so they will allow him to be batshit broken for 9 months before they do anything about it. That doesn't make him not broken.

Sex With Annie4 votes

bro what are you on about LMAO Jhin doesn't even get close to a 52% wr, nothing about him has changed for the past about 10 patches and nora he's suddenly OP? Boards really will complain about anything.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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bro what are you on about LMAO Jhin doesn't even get close to a 52% wr, nothing about him has changed for the past about 10 patches and nora he's suddenly OP? Boards really will complain about anything.

Stormrazor makes him auto crit at just one item, which procs his passive movespeed bonus+FF+Stormrazor's MS. Because of this divers, Juggernatus and Bruisers can no longer stick to him. It's honestly more unbalanced of a item/champ combo then Ryze Stopwatch was. It really needs to be nerfed.

Sex With Annie5 votes

Jhin is not immune to slows or hard cc while he is running. Him going fast doesn't guaruntee any escape whatsoever especially since almost every champ in the game has access to a slow

Daddy Tie Me Up3 votes

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Oh damn I was about to upvote but you just had to fuck it up.

What are you guys doing over there in the balance team? Seriously, I know budget cuts are deep but damn, you guys can't afford a PC monitor and an internet connection to see how they have been dominating Solo Q for like the past 4 or 5 patches?

First of all, this is not just 4 or 5 patches. Graves has been problem since start of season.

You literally created a crit item that may as well said "Here Jhin, take this, your name is engraved on the bottom of the item" and you don't fucking even try to balance him around that item. Let alone the rune that lets him run at mach 1

Fair. however

Better nerf Sejuani though, because she was such a menace in pro play right? Fuck me and logic, SHE WASN'T EVEN AN ISSUE IN PRO PLAY.

A TANK THAT CAN ONESHOT CARRY WITH 0 DAMAGE ITEMS ABSOLUTELY BETTER GETS NERFED. For love of fucks that champion is completely braindead. Stop fucking complaining about tank nerfs, they absolutely need them.

Nah, actually better yet, nerf Fizz one patch after you give him buffs because people have no idea how to play safe in lane against an assassin.

Play safe againist assassin that can kill you with point click spell and jump out of turret agro with ability that has 10 second cooldown? Yeah sure. If Fizz hits his ult, you are dead, no matter how safe you play.

You know what, nah, let's top that, let's reduce Garens damage by 5-10 damage in laning phase, because that's what was really causing the issues people were having with him. Not the insane tankyness or sustain or the silence on a short CD that makes it hard to survive lane against him.

They nerfed his oneshot potential and damage output on braindead ability what is the issue?

10/10

more like 6/10 to be honest

Dark Royalty1 votes

I agree with you idk why everyone wants buffs to rammus sejuani maokai etc. Cthey are so trash to play against haha i love being cc locked for 10 seconds

Summonah123692 votes

have*

SweedishGunner2 votes

Agree with you apart from Fizz, he didn't need buffs in the first place and the nerfs were justified.

BlueSmurf20182 votes

But my baybe Kindred got nerfed after being viable again for one patch :(

saltran8 votes

Fuck off, Kindred has been great for way more than a patch and she's still strong even with the last nerf

NekoniClaws2 votes

Jhin outran them.

mack91122 votes

Maybe if the post was not so ragy it would get traction from a red.

Mecha Incognito2 votes

Well they just buffed Lucian for no real reason when he's already strong. Now hear me out, but.. I think the balance team...

... has no idea what they are doing.

Pelta2 votes

You just paraphrased most of the shit LS said. I too watched that patch rundown.

Independent thinking my ass.

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