I hate the negative bias toward Riven for the past year in terms of balance changes

melior sum·Nov 12, 2018·78 votes·17,805 views

Her win rate is literally inflated by one tricks that have hundreds of games on her, if her play rate went up to 10% and a bunch of new Rivens started playing, she would be at 46-47% win rate

Everyone in this meta got buffs that do well against her

Renekton got buffs (and a new item ER)

Fiora got buffs

Darius got buffs

Urgot/Sion/Aatrox/Poppy/Klepto viktor/aftershock lissandra are all meta that counter her hard

She doesn't have a rune she syncs well with, conqueror is okay, but half as good on her as fervor was

her build path sucks because of the change to BC a while back

No life steal built into her kit

No armor pen in her kit ( why did Darius need an increase in armor pen in his kit when he does true damage from his ultimate??????? )

I'm just sick of people saying "oh but, Adrian/viper/dekar get challenger with her every season, she's fine" YOU CAN PUT THEM ON MOST CARRY TOPS AND THEY'LL GET TO CHALLENGER BECAUSE OF THE KNOWLEDGE THEY HAVE OF THE GAME

Edit; DO NOT THROW THE ARGUMENT OF SHOJIN COMING IN SEASON 9, every single champion in the game also gets to build that item, it's not exclusive to Riven. Darius might build it, Renekton will build it, Fiora will build it. ect...

138 Comments

Sett a trapNov 12, 201844 votes

Yeah riven sucks ass tbh. I don’t care what anyone says, she’s a trash champ. The amount of work these people have put in is disgusting. Maybe I suck with her but I can only get to low gold with her. I have over 700 games on her I think. I can close my eyes and climb with kaisa.

I have a few in real life friends that are d3 and higher and they all used to play riven until like s5 or s6 they say. It’s not just me. Go look on the riven reddit main subreddit. Sure we all play her and etc but the amount of game knowledge we have is disgusting just to play her. No other champ has a fucking bible of match up data like riven and it’s still a PITA just to win some matchups.

It was worse with runes reforged. When I took storm raiders, I could pop nasus or gnar easily before 6 or at 6. Now it’s like “play safe till 3 and then safe farm or safe trade if they fuck up” IF they’re not Darius with ghost, any ranged, any AP top, and jayce/Viktor/morde etc.

She’s not that special for mobility anymore. Akali and Pyke arguably have more mobility than her. Look at aatrox. Look at shy, he invented the combo and didn’t even play her in game 3 for worlds. What a joke.

I MEAN A GOOD CONTRASTING EXAMPLE IS INT SION...LITERALLY BRAIN DEAD GAMEPLAY AND ITS IN MORE META THAN RIVEN

melior sumNov 12, 201818 votes

And I hate how some people say "well you're getting shojin next season", SO IS EVERYONE ELSE, RIVEN ISNT THE ONLY CHAMP THAT CAN BUILD IT

ZaghyrNov 12, 201814 votes

And what people don't realize that Riven would be one of the champions countered the hardest by the item because her Q is 3 hits, meaning her total Q damage is reduced 3 times, along with her W and all of her autos.

Bob the ToastrNov 12, 201832 votes

I mean, when you've got dashy-dashy-dashy-dash on such a short cooldown and no resource cost, forgive me if I don't really feel sorry for you.

SabouroNov 12, 20188 votes

If she tries to reach you while you are ranged, do you realize she need all 4dashes to get to you and they wont be up for at least 4 seconds, means she has just 2 abilitys to deal damage, she has no sustain in her kit, shes squishy, all her counters got buffed, the best runes for her got taken away, Her Q bugs sometimes she has so many problems on top right now that no other champion besides Mordekaiser has.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 13, 20184 votes

Yet she is literally the best toplaner in the game right now thinking Atleast for soloQ. But i guess a 10% pickrate is only one tricks playing her, amirite.

HeIIkiteNov 13, 20184 votes

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Yet she is literally the best toplaner in the game right now thinking Atleast for soloQ.

Since when she is the best top laner she is countered by so many champions. She has to technically know how to play her match up from the game lobby and plan it out.

WeexazysNov 12, 201815 votes

Well, if Riven dashys-dashys-dashys than she has no damage other than autos and a stun that STUNS HERSELF TOO. You're seeing it from the wrong side.

She's supposed to be a mobile snowball, high-risk/high-reward bruiser type champion much like Irelia/Fiora. If she falls behind he does nothing. In the contrary I've seen 0/5 Irelias and Fioras 2v1ing.

Not having mana is good but at the same time its a double edged sword, it makes having items that other bruisers ABUSE a complete waist on Riven "cough" Trinity Force "cough". Plus she's HEAVILY RELIANT on her abilities if she had mana she would actually be the worst champion ever designed.

She provides 0 magic damage and most of her damage comes from autos, build tabis and a tank armor item and she cant touch you anymore. Unless you're dumb and allow her to.

She was released as a lane bully snowballer, then she was nerfed into a get bullied in lane but you still have to snowball or else you're useless and now shes either a shove lane roam glass cannon assassin wannabe or a don't die, farm and let me engage and hope my team follows.

She can use pretty much use every rune but none of them scream "USE ME, YOU NEED ME", spellbook is good on her since flash is important to always have on her, but you could say that to about every champion. Conqueror is good but it feels like it restrains your trades to a predictable pattern, or else you don't get the full value out of it.

Im not even gonna talk about how strong Fiora, Renek, Irelia and Urgot are right now. God, even the easiest matchups ever for Riven, like GP and Teemo have become way harder.

Her build path got cucked since you now build full HP to get BC(I don't understand this lmao). You basically have to get a warhammer first and then get BC(basically you delay your first item by 1100 gold...) while every other top laner can just rush an item due to their high enough base damage.

She requires low ping, heavy combo (just gonna leave this here for you: https://youtu.be/E0h0UqkvYqc) and matchup knowledge.

She can't be played jungle because even tho she has a decent clear if you know how to combo, her ganking is lackluster. She can't be support because, well you might as well play pyke or leona if you want strong all in supports. She can't play mid since other assassins assassinate and roam better than you, mage midlaners waveclear better and safer than you. This leaves you top, but what can you offer top? You can't tank, there are way better splitpushers, duelers and engage.

I've been playing Riven for about 3 years now and one thing i can tell you is, I don't want her to be strong, one of the reasons i took time to learn her and play her is the difficulty, the effort i have to put into her, but I'd like her to AT LEAST be decent, and seriously, right now she's below that.

Blakef1Nov 12, 201829 votes

Logged in to upvote, challenger players getting to challenger with Riven has nothing to do with the champion being strong in the correct hands. They would get challenger with most champions regardless.

GildarztNov 12, 201819 votes

Her win rate is literally inflated by one tricks that have hundreds of games on her, if her play rate went up to 10% and a bunch of new Rivens started playing, she would be at 46-47% win rate

And what's the problem with that? she is a difficult champ who requires tons of games to make her useful. Problem is when you can just destroy everygame with a "difficult" champ only with 10 games.

That's the problem

Buff Riven PlzNov 12, 201816 votes

Riven player here it’s pretty difficult playing riven in this meta since most top laners just Do what riven does 10x better than her. Also one of the main problems with riven is her itemization is extremely bad having to delay you’re power spike 1100 gold and then building a item that only gives 40 AD is pretty bad.

Spicy RiceNov 12, 20182 votes

Ok, but that's part of playing such a high skill cap champion.

Your champs potential is locked behind needing an immense amount of skill and knowledge.

ImNakoNov 12, 20185 votes

But the problem is that when you unlock the skills needed it doesn’t matter because riven goes from “bad” to “ok” after hundreds of games. While other champions go from ok to raid boss in like 5 games of playing them. In other words the skill cap is high but it doesn’t matter.

haaaaaaalpNov 12, 201815 votes

The problem is that there are 80 other champions who’s winrates are also propped up by one tricks. That is the norm. The pre worlds buffs were mistakes which should not be extended to more champions. Riot needs to focus on nerfing the top tier champions, not buffing the average ones.

SabouroNov 12, 20188 votes

Exactly, I don't want any Riven buffs, I just want that champs like Jax or whatever gets a little tuned down, that you actually stand a chance. It is really sad if you put hundreds of hours into Riven, try to learn all the matchups, combos, ways to play around her kit, and than there is Jax, just spaming his Keys dont even looking at the screen it feels like and you stand no chance, while he builds tank and still have more damage.

IlluminatraNov 12, 20189 votes

high elo riven one trick for 3 years here saying its enjoyable winning lane vs all these counters and still losing because you get perma cced mid/late game.

its enjoyable watching a meta champ doing 5x your damage and cc all while pressing 1 button meanwhile ur dumbass is busting your ass off trying to combo them and play it as best as possible.

just goes to show riot wants to dumb the game down so EVERYONE can climb regardless of how bad they are at the game

want to climb? have half a brain and a lsit of meta champs for every role that you can play at a semi decent level.

renekton/darius/viktor/poppy/irelia/jax/swain/jayce/garen all outstat her UNLESS you pull a trick out of your ass and outplay them.

its just funny waiting for the day i get to be the one to torture someone.

MLDzXnRRRNov 12, 201813 votes

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1 because you get perma cced mid/late game.

2 its enjoyable watching a meta champ doing 5x your damage and cc all while pressing 1 button meanwhile ur dumbass is busting your ass off trying to combo them and play it as best as possible.

1 - happens to every melee champions, Lol favours ranged and that's why we have 8 seasons ADC meta with 1 months when other stuff was playable bot too, but this was reverted with Stormrazor and true damage bullshit IE.

2 - happens to every champ when you play vs something overpowered that has to sell skins. When Riven is strong anyone can play her and mash keyboard randomly without animation cancelling and intentional combos, getting kills left and right without effort.

She has to be weak until they rework all the simplistic champs from season 1-2-3 to have more options to even fight back or chase the newer overloaded champs. She is actually one of the first designs that don't really belong to the old LOL game.

I see strong bias in these posts. If other toplaners are out of balance, it's balance team's fault. Riven feels like a fair champ now unless you are playing vs 1trick that is ahead on her. Then she is unstoppable like she was forever. I play Riven once or twice a year, because I don't want to fuck my wrist (the same is true for Kalista). Last time I remember playing her I faced a Zed one trick that stomped me. Guess what - lategame he didn't have any chance vs bruiser Riven (Titanic hydra, GA and similar stuff - it's always smart to itemize defensively when you are feeding - a thing that most Riven pickers clearly don't understand from what I've seen; they prefer to ragequit when the feed early or still proceed to build full AD and feed non stop).

IlluminatraNov 12, 201815 votes

"when riven is strong anyone can play her and mash keyboard randomly without animation cancelling"

have you played riven ever?

you could give her 500 ad per auto after q and people still wont be able to just main her unless they learn how to play her.

ive been playing her only for 3 years when im not taking a break from league and my wrist is fine.

unless you do play her dont assume how shes being played, its just annoying to see.

i usually have a 3 kda which i dont bring up ever but i dont die and it still ownt change how i last in teamfights .

edit: im actually getting downvoted by people that just hate riven but have no mechanical knowledge on her.

MLDzXnRRRNov 12, 20183 votes

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ive been playing her only for 3 years when im not taking a break from league and my wrist is fine.

Go to search the Riven mains subreddit - there are plenty of topics on this. Just because you don't get any pain, doesn't mean that other people don't.

BiomedicalNov 12, 20182 votes

You should stretch your wrists and fingers for 20 seconds every day. It's very easy to do and helps prevent carpal tunnel syndrome. This is just about personal maintenance now.

ImNakoNov 12, 20182 votes

If you’re getting pain from playing you’re most likely sitting horribly.

zBeSzNov 12, 20189 votes

I would add some points:

she is actually balanced around her animation cancel but it isn’t easy to master it at the point you aren’t missing any autoattack in any situation (even if you think there are some items/skills that lower her attack speed fuc*ing your muscolar memory) and it’s frustrating when 90% of champs can ourdmg her with just one click.
her dash which apparently everyone hates it’s also her main dmg source and in the laning phase with no cdr this it’s pretty abusable by most of the champs 3)in this worlds there were some of the best riven mains of the history of LoL but none played riven even in thw group stage so don’t even try to consider her like you do with azir or ryze. She is not just hard she is trash.

SabouroNov 12, 20184 votes

Agreed

Colgate GatorNov 12, 20189 votes

The issue here is that Riven is """mechanic intensive""" that if you buff her, then those who are, according to you, inflating her winrate will become unstoppable, talk about a bad champion design.

Sexy Jack RabbitNov 12, 20188 votes

Riven players are very confusing.

They want to be recognized as these players who play a high skill cap champion that succeeds with great skill. Which they do.

But then they want buffs, because.... why exactly?

If people who have mastered the champion are performing well on her, why should she be buffed? Riven players wanted to be presented as High skill, and then they complain when they don't pub stomp? Sorry, but Riven's not unique there.

Sorry if I don't have sympathy.

EG VanquishNov 12, 201814 votes

Probably because it's really sad to know that there are atleast 10 champs that do both more dmg then you and scale more then you without having to do anything. Look at jax, unless you are a riven god and the jax player is bronze he will outdmg you with just his auto attacks while you have to try your best and get combos.

We want to be recognised by being able to combo but when our combo doesn't even do anything why is it even worth playing her? That's like playing rengar without being able to jump on someone, why would you want to play a champ that relies on something and just doesn't get it.

SabouroNov 12, 20186 votes

We don't really want Riven buffs, we want other toplaners being nerfed, that your experience of hundreds of hours have a use.

Buff Riven PlzNov 12, 20184 votes

Yeah I’m not gonna beg for riven buffs but maybe a better build path would help. Since you are forced into 1100 gold hammer and a 800 gold kindlegem first item.

Automated RivenNov 13, 20188 votes

Riven main here. Stop whining, get gud, and grow up. Champion should be balanced around the 1 tricks. Riven is arguably the most balanced because her 1 trick population has a 50% winrate. Stop asking for buffs because she doesn't need them.

Midg3tNov 12, 20187 votes

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Urgot/Sion/Aatrox/Poppy/Klepto viktor/aftershock lissandra are all meta that counter her hard

Just like other champs, and yet you don't see their mains complaining bout it. To quote IWD: "Either you adapt or you die"

She doesn't have a rune she syncs well with, conqueror is okay, but half as good on her as fervor was

If she can use conq then she has a rune. Like, you contradicted yourself in that sentence lel

her build path sucks because of the change to BC a while back

Adapt your build

No life steal built into her kit

Yea, let's ignore the fact she has a shield which scales with AD

No armor pen in her kit ( why did Darius need an increase in armor pen in his kit when he does true damage from his ultimate??????? )

Let's ignore the fact she has dmg buff from her passive AND from her ult.

Sett a trapNov 12, 20187 votes

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Just like other champs, and yet you don't see their mains complaining bout it. To quote IWD: "Either you adapt or you die"

If she can use conq then she has a rune. Like, you contradicted yourself in that sentence lel

Adapt your build

Yea, let's ignore the fact she has a shield which scales with AD

Let's ignore the fact she has dmg buff from her passive AND from her ult.

lets ignore the fact that zed can 100-0 without hitting everything now.

Pika FoxNov 12, 20184 votes

He cannot.

Midg3tNov 12, 20184 votes

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lets ignore the fact that zed can 100-0 without hitting everything now.

Aaand you're mentioning him because.... why?

SabouroNov 12, 20184 votes

Let's ignore the fact she has dmg buff from her passive AND from her ult.

And Fiora has a parry that blocks damage and has Sustain And Darius has Armorpen and gets damage from his passive too, even more than Riven, and also Sustain Urgot, Ranged, Tank, has a Shield that makes him deal damage, no Comboing Required, can start with Corrupting leaving him with Sustain Garen, Silcence, gains Tenactity and Tankines from W, Still has good damage, Tanky, his passive let him Sustain, Renekton, Sustain, gains HP with Ult, has a better Stun than Riven Aatrox, 4 spells that CC, Sustain in his Kit, and a GA with his Ult etc.

Yea, let's ignore the fact she has a shield which scales with AD

Many other Champion's shield also Scale with AD or AP and these Champs still recieve Buffs. We dont even want Buffs, we want other champs being tuned down a bit. That's all.

Adapt your build

You can't really adapt anything there. Just depends on the play style if you go normal Toplane Riven you will always have this Delay, just doesnt appear if you go lethality Riven, which isn't that good since Lethality Sucks.

If she can use conq then she has a rune. Like, you contradicted yourself in that sentence lel

Just because she can use a rune it doesn't mean its the a good rune, Conq on many other Champions are way better than on Riven.

Midg3tNov 12, 20183 votes

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And Fiora has a parry that blocks damage and has Sustain And Darius has Armorpen and gets damage from his passive too, even more than Riven, and also Sustain Urgot, Ranged, Tank, has a Shield that makes him deal damage, no Comboing Required, can start with Corrupting leaving him with Sustain Garen, Silcence, gains Tenactity and Tankines from W, Still has good damage, Tanky, his passive let him Sustain, Renekton, Sustain, gains HP with Ult, has a better Stun than Riven Aatrox, 4 spells that CC, Sustain in his Kit, and a GA with his Ult etc.

So?

Many other Champion's shield also Scale with AD or AP and these Champs still recieve Buffs. We dont even want Buffs, we want other champs being tuned down a bit. That's all.

I'm talking about champs woth AP shields. I'm talking bout shields which scales with AD.

You can't really adapt anything there. Just depends on the play style if you go normal Toplane Riven you will always have this Delay, just doesnt appear if you go lethality Riven, which isn't that good since Lethality Sucks.

You could. But then again, riven mains then lose 1 thing to complain about so yea...

Just because she can use a rune it doesn't mean its the a good rune, Conq on many other Champions are way better than on Riven.

And? What the fuck Riot should do, make a rune specifically for Riven? You're not that special you know..

PaffWasTakenNov 12, 20186 votes

Reminder that the last direct nerf done to Riven was back in 5.21, which was more than 3 years ago. Every single changes that has been done to her during that time were either bugfixes, QoL changes or direct raw number pumping, AKA huge buffs to someone with such an hyperscaling kit. Yeah, the buffs made to some other toplaners weren't needed at all, but the same can be said about Riven's patch history too.

Her winrate is low only because she is complicated to play and dosen't have an "auto-win" build path like with assassins using item 3147 or marksmens using item 3095 . Otherwise, anyone who know how to use her will be able to use her very efficiently. Why are you even complaining about the fact that only high elo players can climb with her, if its the whole concept of an high skill floor, high skill roof champion? You would want her to get penetration, lifesteal and true damage on top of her already overloaded kit just to normalise the champ so everyone can happily have their share of freelo? This would just ruin all the fun of having to master the champ and the satisfaction you get when you do so.

I do agree with the keystone problem, but this problem is also present for an huge number of the champion pool. In fact, I don't even know if you care about this since you seem to want some exclusive new advantages aimed solely at Riven. If other champions got powercrept to the point they can fight too easily with Riven , then those champions should be looked at, instead of wanting to powercreep yet another champion, one with the worst possible powercrept outcome at that.

Automated RivenNov 13, 20182 votes

Incorrect. Riven was directly nerfed in patch 7.10 when they reduced the speed of her animation canceling.

And to clarify, before the downvotes begin. They normalized her animation canceling making more consistant. but at the same time they removed the random delay which made it take in between .15 and .35 (iirc) seconds in which to cancel her abilities to a flat .25. this didnt function as a equal change because the odds of hitting the .15 were far higher then the .35 and so you have a 15% or so damage reduction over the duration of the fast combo. it was a flat out nerf.

SalronNov 13, 20186 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rivenmains/comments/9wetuz/gunna_leave_this_here_18_upvotes_to_16_downvotes/ Nice vote brigading

saltranNov 12, 20185 votes

Hahaha Riven mains brigarding the Boards, go and join the Wukong ones.

Modl Ryden lNov 12, 20184 votes

In comparison to a lot of the modernly designed champions, she's the least overloaded champion.

She doesn't get anything special from her kit besides a bunch of momentary Bonus AD.

No spellvamp/lifesteal. No bonus true damage. No bonus movement speed.

Rathar DashingNov 12, 20183 votes

You compare her to someone like Aatrox and her kit really gets put into perspective.

Full BrainNov 13, 20184 votes

Yeah lets give a bunch of buffs to Heimerdinger too because one tricks are inflating his winrates as well. Button mash erase everyone Riven and unbeatable in lane Heimer good balance and fun for everyone playing.

BestPudgeNANov 13, 20184 votes

But Hashinshin told me Riven was the most broken camp in the game. So that must be true.

/sarcasm off

Seriously though Riven is legit busted OP and you should be embarrassed to be vote brigading for buffs. She the most overrepresented among all champs in of OTP that get challenger every year. She has like 60% WR among players that actually good at her in challenger. Champ is actually just full retard busted in the right hands for solo q

MakosNov 12, 20183 votes

ÈvilMortyNov 12, 20183 votes

Honestly every time i see boxbox play her i always think holy thats not balanced. Her kit has damage, decent scaling, cc, mobility, aoe, shields, practically 0 cd's come mid to late game, no resources to manage and bonus damage.

Then i remember that shes a champ that is either garbage or top tier and her balancing is dictated around how well people can play her. The people that can play her well do amazingly while others just feed out their ass.

DTPandemoniumNov 14, 20183 votes

Summary of Riven is, rush 20% cdr, know your Q goes on cooldown when you start it, then proceed to have no cooldowns and using your entire combo while enemy is stunned but then still have Q to get away in 2 seconds because you put it on cooldown before, and you have flash on demand with your dashes anyway so your opponent cant even try to resist. You dont even need to do this if they are not standing 5 light years away from you anyway just QEW is enough and you finish trade and walk away with 2 Qs minimal damage taken.

Only time you can damage riven is when she has her E and stun down but at that point her trade is complete and is running away from you so only champs like darius can damage her during this time and this is only because she only has 20% cdr right now. Darius pull and other instant stun abilities like that usually have very high cooldown unless maxed and you never max these abilities first. Darius is trash ass champion that actually gets countered by riven too btw just because he has 20 billion second cooldown and cant hit Q without E on her.

''Urgot in meta riven too hard BabyRage'' shut up kid noone can fight urgot because he's next level broken not just riven. ''If you play ranged riven wastes all her dashes to get to you!'' shut up kid every melee top laner has this problem and it's not even close to how bad it is for riven because at least you can get to them without losing much health and kill them instantly after level 6 unless gnar or something maybe.

The other non top lane champs that are in meta doesn't matter because they can be in your team too and they work so well with riven's kit that riven gets even stronger like lissandra perma stun slow festival and Aatrox which is same as riven unkillable after you get some hp with cleaver and stuns.

If you think Riven's itemisation is bad because you have to buy warhammer and kindlegem into rushing ''bad 40 AD'' item you are mental. That bad item allows you to make so many more mistakes because you have so much more health and way more movespeed and on top of that you have tons of pen, and yes it's pen when you do 5 different hits while enemy is stunned anyway and kill them from half health with R and your free AD ult if they have low armor. ''But if they have low armor cleaver is worse!'' not if you insta stack it anyway.

After this point you are now unstoppable. 40% cdr from rune activating and then you get death's dance and can tank inhib tower like a real tank while being full damage. Then you buy GA and even if they kill you it doesn't matter. 130-140 armor with insane hp from shield spam and even if you hit her during no shield she takes less and heals up because she has no cooldowns with DD.

Most people run klepto on riven because you dont need a keystone with her but instead get as much free gold as possible evne if you cant kill your opponent. Because they know once you get 20% cdr the lane is over. Not that you can do anything to stop her from getting gold from you. The RNG elixirs you get from it in teamfights and lane also help a lot more than any other keystone could on riven especially teamfights though.

Don't speak how balanced this champ is if you aren't even playing the real game under D2. People still think inting sion is good when in reality the person who did it originally is still hardstuck D5 so it works just as any other perma rage split strat that works until D5. It's funny to see I'll give you that lol. You people can't even grasp the idea that if sion perma splits and runs it down to tower every time kill him 4-5 times until he is worth nothing then 5v4 teamfight and win the game with all that free gold and exp you got from killing him and csing with no opponent. T1 and T2 towers are useless only one you really need to defend is inhib tower. If he doesn't join teamfights you push faster than him as 5 man and if he does join then he has no items and is a lot less tanky. He also won't be getting your towers anymore and is no longer int sion but sion when behind.

no to toxicNov 13, 20182 votes

But Riven is a gimmick champion buff her and you will open a can of worms. Since if she is buffed what can you do against a Riven when she jumps you and deals the damage of her entire kit by the time your Q animation is over.

xresurixNov 13, 20182 votes

Well I started riven a few weeks back and she pretty strong once u understand how to play her especially once u get to lvl 2 to 3 if u haven't fed already. For runes I just go electricute no matter who I'm fighting early and I'm not going to lie she feels too squish when u fighting ppl like Darius and renekton but imo if u know what ur doing it just becomes a skill match up and because I play most of those top loaners u mentioned I know how to counter play against them. Oh if I'm not fighting aa tank then I rush lethality to get a faster power spike and then pressing ur advantages as much as you can.

EnSide217Nov 13, 20182 votes

I see people complaining that she has no mana/energy and because of that you don't have to think about using your abilities, that she's a faceroll champ, that you don't need to learn resource management etc, etc. If it's such a problem for the love of god just give her energy already, but in exchange give her also some armor pen or revert q speed or buff her base stats. [sg-janna]