i've seen even a 
building it. 100 AP and 400 hp is just too strong, why is this item giving a luden echo lvl of AP? it's supposed to be a tanky item for bruisers/utility focused item, and yet we have bullshit combinations that rush this item and still does massive damage while slowing an entire team and survives to a burst.
Why?
Evewynn2 votesNo, it's a Mage item. Other classes just like it because it's versatile.
Maximum Morde1 votesProbably because it costs a truckload of money?
Best princess EU1 votesStill 101% cost efficient without the passive.
meanwhile luden's echo is 80% cost efficient without the passive i understand your concern because Morde will be trash without Rylai, but this isn't a viable reason
Maximum Morde1 votesAnd Nashors tooth is near 140% efficient with 0 extra ap, ROA is something like 150% gold efficient stacked. Different items have different gold efficiency, who knew? Plus, Ludens proc is most certainly worthwhile given the interactions it has.
Meep Man1 votesIm pretty sure people are building it for the Passive.
Beldair1 votesI build it for the health and passive...the AP is just a nice bonus for me (as a support main :P).
Resolution1 votesI build it for the passive on Brand; as it's amazing with Lissandrys. Actually I don't even think I care about the stats; I just like Lissandrys doing double damage if there slowed.
If there going to nerf anything on it, go for the health: As a lot of champions rely on the AP from it.
Maximum Morde1 votesNo way, Rylais is core to AP Bruiser builds because of the health. No nerferino.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w5prk7XE,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-08-24T13:18:07.537+0000)
No way, Rylais is core to AP Bruiser builds because of the health. No nerferino.
going by the name, i can understand why youre attached to the item. but really think about it.
rylais fucks over morde harder than it helps him. i know it sounds weird. but just for a moment, imagine a situation where youre playing morde and are up against a malzahar and you both have rylais.
vs. 
who do you think benefits more from the item? the malzahar is going to use its constant slow from with his space aids + voidlings, and the silence on his q, and the supression on his ult, to keep you out of range before you can even benefit from the slow yourself.
hes going to kite you to death with the item before you even get the opportunity to get in range of him and benefit from the slow to stick to him.
the same goes for a lot of ranged ap scaling champions who have the ability to create permaslows with rylais.
it makes more sense to rework the item and get rid of the ability to constantly reapply the slow over extremely long durations. buff morde directly and give him his own tools to stick, rather than keeping the item in the game as it is.
the issue with rylais slow is, that its not a defensive mechanism against mobile champions. mobile champions dont give much of a fuck that theyre slowed. they have their own inbuilt tools to move around. but it is an item that is used by ranged champions to shut down low mobility melee champions in particular. their ability to kite someone like morde or volibear doesnt hinge on the fact that they can hit their skillshots and cc abilities anymore. they just passively keep their opponents slowed which in turn makes hitting their other cc abilities even easier, and completely prevents them from moving.
it makes the ability to kite someone like morde downright foolproof, and the item abusive in many cases.
its stats are not the problem. its really the passive that breaks it.
Maximum Morde1 votesHow did Malzahar get past ban phase?
Mordekaiser's Ult is keeps someone perma slowed.
Really, there aren't too many abuse cases with Rylais. The only ones are mages who already have mobility, like Cass, Azir, etc, or mages with pets that apply it for them no interaction required like Malz, Donger, and Zyra. Just my opinion.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Maximum Morde,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w5prk7XE,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-24T13:47:20.404+0000)
How did Malzahar get past ban phase?
Mordekaiser's Ult is keeps someone perma slowed.
Really, there aren't too many abuse cases with Rylais. The only ones are mages who already have mobility, like Cass, Azir, etc, or mages with pets that apply it for them no interaction required like Malz, Donger, and Zyra. Just my opinion.
the problem is really not just restriced to malzahar, you cant just ban out every champion whos building rylais right now. because half the ap champion pool is building it.
and morde still has to get in range to cast the ult on you. even then, his ult alone wont win him the fight. youre never going to get into q range, which is your main damage source.
rylais slow isnt your only concern. most mages already have powerful cc abilities in their kits, like zyras snare and ult for example.
rylais makes these abilites almost braindead to land on someone like morde.
would be another example, who can keep kiting muliple opponents with his ult, his e and the rylais slow + his snare.
even champions like 
shouldnt rely on rylais passive slow to keep people in range of their aoe. they have their own inbuilt cc mechanics to set themselves up to kite their opponents or stick to them.
rylais just makes this one again, foolproof against slow champions. (a zed is still gonna jump out of a karthus e, rylais or not).
if those abilites on their own are too ineffective in general, then its an issue of their kits, and it might be worthwile to think about adding things like a grounded debuff to karthus wall, so he has a tool to deal with high mobility.
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and morde still has to get in range to cast the ult on you. even then, his ult alone wont win him the fight. youre never going to get into q range, which is your main damage source.
if those abilites on their own are too ineffective in general, then its an issue of their kits,
Just to touch on these two things. If you are running Deathfire Ignite Morde with Rylais, Liandries and maybe a Ludens. His Ult + Ignite alone actually can kill some squishier champs and leave some beefier nontanks sitting on deaths door. It also has pretty reasonable range. So yeah, there are plenty of times where Morde's Ult and Ignite alone can win him the fight depending on items.
For the second part, I agree somewhat, but I'd say the issue wasn't caused by their kits, but by game updates that have increased mobility a million fold through item changes and new champions. I'd rather see mobility nerf batted to hell rather than changes to champions I love, but I suspect I'm in the minority cause we gotta have LC$BIGPLAY$.
Killstrado1 votesFirst item on cass everytime after tear for that reason
Critmaster Garen1 votesif people arent building it for the passive, then there should be no issue in removing it.
Risk of Fate1 votes
Kiting for dayz, but seriously I like building it against tanky teams so that I can whittle them down. The AP, health, and passive work very well at keeping people off your tower. However, I like to build 
for the burrrrn.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesI used to build Rod of Ages -> Rylai's Crystal Scepter on Ahri.
I was trying to learn her and the additional bulk helped me survive whenever I mispositioned or took a poor trade and the slow helped me kite and chase.
Guyy Fieri1 votesI build it for the passive, especially on Kennen. Any one else if I want those stats I just go ROA (which is pointless in Kennen because of energy).
EndlessSorcerer1 votesWhy wouldn't Ryze build it? He has low-cooldown single-target abilities making Rylai's Crystal Scepter extremely useful for kiting/chasing opponents and he appreciates the additional bulk due to his short range.