Honestly the double tear nerfs are just BS in my opinion

xxxMadLionxxx··1 votes·938 views

The only champ that can abuse it is Ezreal. No other champ can even build it quickly enough to even be effective. The problem is not the items, but Ez.

If anything double tear needs to reworked so more champs can use it for build diversity.

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Hexeronic4 votes

It would be nice if they just completely changed Manamune so it wasn't an Ezreal only item, or if they created similar champs to Ezreal who need the mana and the AD

heroikc1 votes

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It would be nice if they just completely changed Manamune so it wasn't an Ezreal only item, or if they created similar champs to Ezreal who need the mana and the AD

'Nother key ingredient; spammable abilities.

SuicidePlank1 votes

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'Nother key ingredient; spammable abilities.

But that's what we got Energy for, or hey, no mana at all Riven Kennen Akali :)))

heroikc3 votes

You're pretty backwards; yes double tears was technically only abusable on Ez, but then why bother keep the concept of double tears? The build was broken and no one else could have abused it; it was a very simple fix. Making it more available to other champs would have made the situation worse, more likely than not.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Uh... no. The reason they chose that option was so that it didn't hurt any other champions who build tear just because Ezreal alone could abuse building both items.

And by the way, "more champions" and "build diversity" are contradictory. It's not build diversity when it becomes the top build. Then it's just the new build. The problem it had on Ezreal was that it didn't have a downside. That's why they prevented stacking them instead of actually nerfing them.

ChaosReyn1 votes

I kind of like the changes though, honestly. Each of those items was giving you like 1000 mana, and there was really no reason they needed stacked. Ezreal was the one who profited most from it...but champions like Ryze and Kassadin (actually, Kassadin could literally one shot an ADC with his full-charged ult+auto with LichBane by late game, but nobody plays him since his early is too weak) could inflict some major damage with it.

with like 1800 (I think was the actual number) given between both Muramana and Seraph's, the only reason it worked so well on Ez (and why Kassadin got away with it) is because his cooldowns and mana costs were super low. Kassadin's ult costs him roughly 2/3 his mana to charge to full for his insane burst, which made him very much an all-in, do-or-die type that was soon to be oom from his ult. Ezreal doesn't have that limitation, and with just Q (Iceborn, Duskblade and both mana items) he could chunk you for close to half hp a shot...then step back into bush, reactivate duskblade, and do it again...and again...and again.

Or, just spam you to death without the DB proc. DB wasn't even essential to this, and that's how you know people overrate it instead of looking at the champs that use it.

Either way, losing all that mana and the stacking effects doesn't really harm anyone either...Kassadin and Ryze both get by with just Seraph's, RoA, and FH, and it fixes the problem with Ezreal's damage without harming his identity as the second most annoying, spammy SoB in the game (the first, of course, being the Devil of the Shrooms himself)

Tobykachu1 votes

What other champion can even make use of the hybrid damage? Which of those champions has extensive mana issues?

y0r1ck1 votes

Double tear isn't going to work on any champ other than ezreal ever. No champ is ever going to stack two tears fast enough to be viable, and use ad and ap efficiently enough to be viable.

Yes Ryze did it early in LOL, season 3 if I'm not mistaken, but the games were longer back then and the meta wasn't as solved. If Ryze tries to pull that today he just loses.

RIOT made an effective balance change in a very unintrusive way. Opportunities to do that don't happen often, and I'm glad they took it.

But I'm open to hearing ideas. So how would you rework the items in order to increase build diversity so that ezreal isn't op with them, and a number of champions might want to build both items in one game?

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