Zed needs a leash range to jump back to his shadows

xxxMadLionxxx·May 31, 2016·126 votes·4,260 views

Just like Azir has to be in a certain range to command his soldiers to attack, Zed should be within a certain range to jump back.

This ability to jump back over vast distances without a condition while being manaless is ridicules. If you look at Yas, he needs minions to do it and he doesn't have an easy time going back to his tower in lane because he can't jump to his minions.

Kalista takes actual skill and practice to master her mobility and she is paying a lot for it as the only ADC with reduced damage on her AA.

Zed has pretty much no condition for the huge distances he covers while going back.

70 Comments

billxxMay 31, 201637 votes

His w does, it's quite small actually. His ults shadow has no range because it's his ultimate. Meant to be ultimately

ErrastasMay 31, 201635 votes

This is the boards, they won't be happy until Zed somehow becomes a support ninja.

xxxMadLionxxxMay 31, 20169 votes

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This is the boards, they won't be happy until Zed somehow becomes a support ninja.

I want his head on a platter

Zero Skill TankMay 31, 201614 votes

Yep, because it's not like Zed doesn't make it through ban phase in great majority of games, even in higher elos.

It's just boards people whining. Nothing else.

Vistha KaiMay 31, 201611 votes

Zed's ban rate is nothing, but a big circle jerk at this point.

He is neither that strong nor frustrating to warrant such a high ban rate.

And I say that as a person who dislikes him, because he counters my main champ. The joke? But not the next 3 champs.

PB4UAMEJun 1, 20163 votes

Right. That's why he has an over 90 FUCKING PERCENT pick/ban rate in all Elo's, as well as ~92.5% pick ban rate in plat plus.

Clearly no reason at all to justify it.

Vistha KaiJun 1, 20161 votes

Yes, because that QSS change was soooo significant to warrant 60%+ banrate increase.

Most ADC's can't fight fed Zed even, if his ult doesn't deal damage.

The reason is "They ban him, so I'll ban him too" and that by definition is circle jerk. The other most possible would be "I bet most people forgot how to play him due to high banrate, so I'll make sure my teammate won't feed with him", which is at least somewhat logical.

Tank MasochistJun 1, 20162 votes

Though I kind of want to agree with you. Yesterday as a plat 4 player i saw the first zed in over a month (and I play often) get through ban phase onto my team. When I say that dude singlehandedly took care of the 6/0 Shen courtesy of our Darius top and the fed graves JG and ended game with 10+ kills and not a single death I was wondering if there actually was a point behind the zed qq. The guy wasn't even ranked very much more than me and didn't seem to have anything special other than being able to play the present nightmare that zed seems to have become

Vistha KaiJun 1, 20161 votes

Shen isn't even good as a champion nor he ever was adept at fighting Zed.

Plus it all depends on the phase of the game. Shen's early game isn't exceptional when it comes to base stats and cooldowns, so if Graves (Was he fed? You didn't mention that) is dealt with Shen alone wouldn't be much of a threat to anybody.

Congrats for that Darius, though. I'd suggest rethink getting boosted.

CarbRundumJun 1, 20162 votes

I feel that Zed is quite strong and frustrating, but absolutely not as much as the Boards make him out to be. I feel like Riot is making a good decision with the Zed nerfs, aimed at reducing frustration but not potential power in the right hands.

SatonJun 1, 20161 votes

Buy without our QSS safety, how will we ever survive!?

Vistha KaiJun 1, 20161 votes

Oh, I dunno. Don't fight him 1v1 and have a support peel for you?

SatonJun 2, 20162 votes

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/397/9c9.gif

AMYS GRAVEMay 31, 20162 votes

don't send that shithead bot lane, i don't want to have to deal with him poking my adc to death.

MazariamontiMay 31, 20162 votes

I would love another support ninja

Handin Out NapsMay 31, 20162 votes

Its actually pretty good if you are good at Zed, I used to do it in ranked back in low plat when I got stuck with support.

ErrastasMay 31, 20162 votes

I do it once in a while when I see a kill lane bot lol

Hard PenetratorMay 31, 20162 votes

If Riot properly nerfed him earlier like they did with Talon boards would not show so much hate against him, but currently its Lee Sin over again. Sometimes boards are right.

Assassins aren't generally that bad, they just bad when you compare them to Zed.

z14GaKI7TOMay 31, 20162 votes

"support ninja" :^)

dr lichdeathMay 31, 20161 votes

o hell no! no support assassins will not be good gut zed nerf all his dmges but dont fucking send him to ruin botlane

SpoofghoulJun 1, 20161 votes

whats wrong with support ninja's

we could use one of those

legionnaire99May 31, 201616 votes

He has one

RockmanMay 31, 20165 votes

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He has one

If y'all wanna bitch about his ult ghost not having a tether thats fine

don't try to say he doesn't have one normally

legionnaire99May 31, 20163 votes

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^

If y'all wanna bitch about his ult ghost not having a tether thats fine

don't try to say he doesn't have one normally

Talking about the leash

RockmanMay 31, 20164 votes

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Talking about the leash

yes his W has one did you think I was disagreeing?

IgotlazyMay 31, 20164 votes

But... but he already has a leash range on his W. It's not even that crazy long.

Guy Fox TeemoMay 31, 20164 votes

It does, its like 1200 units? I think for his shadow, probably less, his ult is infinite but its an ultimate.... So

OleandervineMay 31, 20163 votes

I agree. Every champion with a special interaction on the map has a tether range, like Taric or Orianna.

MiraweaveMay 31, 20169 votes

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I agree. Every champion with a special interaction on the map has a tether range, like Taric or Orianna.

Not true. Ekko, Leblanc, and Shen don't have one either.

And Zed's W already does have a leash range. His ult doesn't, but it's an ult.

AMYS GRAVEMay 31, 20162 votes

shen? His sword has a max distance it can be from him before it jumps a ways towards him if that's what you are referring to.

ShadòwMay 31, 20161 votes

but his ult not

AMYS GRAVEMay 31, 20161 votes

I guess i dont understand the nature of the comment, different champions have different interactions with their created objects/tethered ally champions.

ShadòwMay 31, 20161 votes

no i just refer to the comment before.

He meant the shen ult has global range, not his sword

AMYS GRAVEMay 31, 20162 votes

I"m not sure why we are comparing zed ult to shen ult, they function completely differently and are completely different kits. whatever.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 31, 20161 votes

ekko is time. not range

RoodToobMay 31, 20161 votes

But isn't that all of them? they all have a certain amount of time to do it

(also was not sure if this is a pun or not)

MhihnjMay 31, 20163 votes

? Zed has a range on his normal shadow, The only one he doesn't have a range on is his ult which he can jump back to anytime

ShadòwMay 31, 20163 votes

would destroy the champ completly

but well... this is the boards

xxxMadLionxxxMay 31, 20164 votes

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would destroy the champ completly

but well... this is the boards

so its perfectly fine for Zed to come charging at you with ghost-blade active while u run for dear life, and when he is done with you, he jumps back 2000 range?

ShadòwMay 31, 20164 votes

yes

Faceroll TacticsMay 31, 20162 votes

But it's also ok for Azir , Rengar , and Nocturne to have to run in with their gap closers if they want to kill someone with no escape other than flash?

ShadòwMay 31, 20162 votes

yup because they have other strengths

like Rengar not needing an escape because he kill everything in half a second anyway

Faceroll TacticsMay 31, 20161 votes

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yup because they have other strengths

like not needing an escape because he kills one person in half a second anyway

ftfy, and zed can do what rengar can with less farm and a reliable escape

ShadòwMay 31, 20162 votes

Rengar has a ult that makes it easier to engage.

While Zed can be seen and predicted when he goes in, Rengar can just hop in out of nowhere.

Every Champ has his strenghts, Zed's being his ability to come out unharmed of a fight while letting Death Mark kill his enemy.

Also, you know, he is stunnable when he comes out of his ult and can't go back to his Shadow when he is cc'd

Faceroll TacticsMay 31, 20162 votes

Rengar has a downside to his ult where people know he is near with an audio que and an exclamation mark from 1000 something units away.

Zed ult allows him to be put out of the fight for nearly 2 seconds while also being put right next to his target with an easy escape. And for the cc part you need to understand that cc shuts down every champion, including Rengar , but all it takes is item 3139 and zed can nope out of a bad engagement, Rengar is stuck where he is once he commits, no escape. It also doesn't help that is more effective on Zed than other champions because of the Living Shadow passive

My Waifu VanillaMay 31, 20163 votes

Except 9 times out of 10 you aren't CC'ing Rengar before he kills or at least GUARENTEES a kill on your carry since he will either straight up kill you from stealth or hit you with the 1.5 (?) second undodgeable root from stealth.

VasilisGreenJun 1, 20161 votes

Deathmark animation is not even 1 second. get your shit together.

CarbRundumJun 1, 20161 votes

Rengo can activate item 3142 and take advantage of the huge bonus movespeed from his ult to completely invalidate whatever counterplay the exclamation point gave him.